If you're not using racks, then the Krampus will be great. If you think 
racks might be part of the equation, the ECR is SWEET. I have one on order.

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:53:30 AM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Good question. I haven't been able to test ride an ECR. People who 
> have ridden both say the Krampus is more mountain bike-y, and the ECR 
> is more touring bike-y. And I already have a touring bike. 
>
> I'm not so sure the lower BB is better for what I want. More 
> stability, but more pedal strikes too. The Krampus didn't seem too 
> skittish to me. 
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mike Schiller 
> <mikey...@rocketmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > Anne, why not the ECR?  It's got all the braze-ons for touring and a 
> lower 
> > BB, which will mean more stability and a riding position more like an 
> > Atlantis which has the same BB drop.  The BB drop on the Krampus  (60mm) 
> is 
> > pretty high for a bike with 74 mm wide tires.  I'm seriously looking at 
> an 
> > ECR myself as I think it's more suitable to for backcountry touring. 
> > 
> > ~mike 
> > Carlsbad Ca. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:10:03 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Speaking of tire width and what tire is too narrow, I'm kind of 
> >> chicken about traction, and I'm moving in the other direction. As I've 
> >> mentioned in this group before, I'm planning a Great Divide ride in 
> >> 2015. I'm about (I think) to pull the trigger on a Surly Krampus. 
> >> Three inches of tire width! Those Knards stick to anything. I won't be 
> >> underbiking, that's for sure. 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> 
> wrote: 
> >> > A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and 
> was 
> >> > wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
> >> > 1.75). 
> >> > I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
> >> > replied 
> >> > “No. Seriously. Which one?” 
> >> > 
> >> > I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
> >> > it’s 
> >> > had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for most 
> of 
> >> > it 
> >> > with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road come 
> >> > Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way. 
> >> > 
> >> > Can you help me help him? 
> >> > 
> >> > With abandon, 
> >> > Patrick 
> >> > 
> >> > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
> >> > www.OurHolyConception.org 
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