Both brands (companies, philosophies, products) are loved in our family. I 
bought my first Rivendell product in 2000, my first bike in 2002 (63cm 
Romulus), and have basically kept everything in house with zero degradation 
in utility ever since. 

I bought my first Surly bike for my son (42cm LHT) on his 8th birthday, a 
bike which has since been passed down to his younger brother while the 
older one rides a 55cm CrossCheck. 

On Monday of this week my now 5' 4"-all-legs 13 year old rode off to school 
on my 61cm Bleriot / Xtracycle, trumpet on one side, giant Duluth pack, 
locks, rain gear and whatnot on the other, with lights and reflecties 
everywhere. It's his now, which was always the plan. Remarkably, it fits 
him fine. He straddles the top tube with feet flat in PF Flyers, and with 
'86 Suntour XC stem, bars, and shifters, the each is perfect. He looks 
great on it, and he's proud to have it.

Anyway, Surly provided a great way for a kid who wanted to really ride to 
move into a quality bike at a fair "stretchable" price point at an early 
age. 6 years ago the options were really limited for kids or small adults, 
and to have a 42cm frame available was a big deal to me, and the price was 
value-justified. Making a market commitment like that is a hard thing to do 
for any company, and if the Rivendell design philosophy nudged Surly toward 
a "not-dumb" ethos, stretching the range of frame sizes to intersect with 
the '24 inch wheel kid-bike options was definitely a not-dumb move, and one 
that Surly, with their "not-lugs" approach was uniquely positioned to 
consider and execute. 

That LHT offered everything that an Atlantis from a capability perspective, 
and though the "Rivendell kids bike" comes up on this forum every once in a 
while, making one would probably force a not-lugs exception to make it 
feasible, and selling them would be a not-profitable endeavor, or so I 
suspect.

We've enjoyed years of utility, transport, and just plain fun on Surly and 
Rivendell bikes, and I have two kids who can work on their machines, lock 
them properly, ride them safely and effectively on Seattle's streets, and 
who understand that bicycles are fun and useful. That makes me happy.


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