Renette,
I am sure you understand FRBR much better than I do. All of the examples do reference specific items: 7.4.2.1.1a "the original of a photographic image", 7.4.2.1.1b "item" and "fascimile of" and 7.4.2.1.1c "original letters in the collection of the Watkinson Library" and "copy in the National Wetlands Research Center Library" but I see your point about the changes in physical characteristics and why they might be considered equivalent manifestations. I did not get nearly as far as you did with this but I also found the wording of 7.4.2.0.1 to be questionable. "An equivalent item is a specific item reproduced by the resource being described". I kept trying to think how a resource could reproduce an item? A paper item in a specific library can't reproduce itself in electronic format. Your proposed wording certainly makes more sense to me. Jean Renette Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED] hicago.edu> To Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED], crcc-rda-bounce RDA-L@INFOSERV.NLC-BNC.CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc shington.edu Subject [CRCC-RDA] Comments on RDA 7.4.2 07/16/2007 10:31 AM I started this message on Friday afternoon and thought maybe my brain was just tired, but now on Monday morning the scope statement in 7.4.2.0.1 still doesn't make sense to me. "An equivalent item is a specific item reproduced by the resource being described." It's the word "by" that is bothering me. Also the fact that the relationship appears to only go one way. I think what is meant is that an equivalent item is a specific item reproduced as or from the resource being described. I'm also having problems with some of the examples in this section. Most them seem like equivalent manifestations instead of equivalent items to me. The explanation under the example in 7.4.2.1.1a.1 says it is a "Resource identifier for the original of a photographic image that has been digitized by the Museum of History and Industry." Wouldn't this be an equivalent manifestation instead of an equivalent item since one is an original photograph and the other is a digital image? According to "Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records", section 5.3.6, Item-to-Item Relationships, p. 80, "The reproduction relationship states that one particular item has been derived in some way from another item. As with manifestation, there can be varying levels of fidelity of the reproduction to the original item. Unlike the replication of manifestations, however, which in some cases will result in a change in the type of carrier, the replication of one item from another always results in an item of the same physical characteristics as the original." The same is true for the 2nd example in 7.4.2.1.1c.1 - "Electronic reproduction of the copy in the National Wetlands Research Center Library". If it's an electronic reproduction of a print resource, wouldn't it be an equivalent manifestation instead of equivalent item? If the first example in that section is in a record for photocopies of the original letters, that's probably ok as an equivalent item, but if it's in a record for an electronic reproduction, again I think that would be an equivalent manifestation instead of equivalent item. I am definitely no expert on FRBR, so if anyone disagrees with my statements above, don't hesitate to say so! However, if I'm understanding this correctly, then maybe the scope statement should read something like, "An equivalent item is a specific item reproduced as or from the resource being described in the same physical format." Renette _______________________________________________ CRCC-RDA mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/crcc-rda