Wouldn't the determining factor of whether a movie version of "Pride and Prejudice" shared the same work as the novelization depend on the the intent of the expression as a motion picture of the novel or as a retelling? If the movie took enough liberties with the text, it might be a different work, but if it were an almost verbatim representation of the novel then it might be the same work. Another example might be whether the film "Prospero's Books" share the same work as the RSC film production of "The Tempest"? The text is very similar in each version.
What about remakes then? For example, do the original film version of Arthur and the 2011 remake of the film Arthur share the work "Arthur" or because there is substantial deviation in text do we view it as a separate work. The whole notion of Work in FRBR seems unnecessary in my view. We don't deal in Platonic ideals of what a work is but in actual productions, the physicality of the work, i.e. expression down to item. Mark Rose, B.A.Hons., M.I.St. Librarian and Information Systems Manager ICURR = Cirur mr...@icurr.org (647) 345-7004 -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Thu 4/7/2011 4:35 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR The 'conventional' modelling choice right now is to call the film version of Pride and Prejudice a different (creative) 'work' than the novel, and the film script yet different again. This is a somewhat arbitrary choice -- when modelling reality, we have to make choices on how to 'summarize' reality in our modelled data, in the most useful ways for our use cases. It is my opinion that neither choice is neccesarily more 'right', any model is neccesarily a summarized 'lossy encoding' of reality. In this case, that choice is arguably most consistent with legacy cataloging practice, where a film version gets a different authority record than the original novel -- and perhaps more importantly, gets a different 'main entry'. Things that are the same 'work' in legacy cataloging practice are going to have the same main entry, if they have different main entries, that means legacy cataloging practice treated them as different works. Sort of, it's ambiguous, part of the point of FRBR/RDA is to make it less ambiguous and more consistent, but (for better or for worse), follow the lead of our inherited legacy practice. So, anyway, the modelling choices say that a novel and a film based on it belong to different 'work' sets -- but they can certainly still be related by OTHER relationships, such as a work-to-work relationship "is based upon". Jonathan On 4/7/2011 4:15 PM, Aleta Copeland wrote: < Here's a nice visual representation of the Work/Expression/Manifestation/Item facets of the FRBR model I found via Twitter this morning: http://www.aurochs.org/frbr_example/frbr_example.html > Shouldn't all the expression just be under one Work, since the Work is the insubstantial idea that then is created as an expression? For example, I would definitely want all versions of say Pride and Prejudice listed as the same work, then have all the expressions of it listed below that, with the manifestations listed for each expression. ************************************** ************************************** Aleta Copeland, MLS Head of Technical Services Ouachita Parish Public Library 1800 Stubbs Ave. Monroe, LA 71201 318-327-1490 ex. 3015 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of runjuliet Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 11:37 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR Here's a nice visual representation of the Work/Expression/Manifestation/Item facets of the FRBR model I found via Twitter this morning: http://www.aurochs.org/frbr_example/frbr_example.html Only problem with it, to me, is that it doesn't link the novel, film, and screenplay together... Amanda Raab Catalog and Metadata Librarian Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum | Library and Archives 2809 Woodland Avenue | Cleveland, OH 44115 phone: 216.515.1932 | fax: 216.515.1964 ar...@rockhall.org <mailto:ar...@rockhall.org> | www.rockhall.com/library <http://www.rockhall.com/library> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jeff Peckosh <jpeck...@yahoo.com> wrote: I started panicking over the fact that I still don't understand FRBR. Can anybody please tell me where I can find a literature that explains what FRBR is in a simple English? I also don't know how to relate FRBR with RDA. I would appreciate your help so much. Thanks, Jeff Peckosh Public Library Cataloging Librarian