I think I understand the reason why people want this in a 2XX (human habit and systems habits), but we added the 542 for copyright information in 2008, and it has a subfield for copyright date, as well as renewal date (for the cases in which one has that info), and other information relating to copyright status. Adding a 2XX field for copyright date just doesn't seem right. (although it is called 'date of copyright notice' -- but that is the sense of the subfield in the 542, IMO).

kc

Quoting "Adam L. Schiff" <asch...@u.washington.edu>:

And to further reiterate, they are different RDA elements because they are in fact different things. Copyright date is a legal date that reflects the year in which an issue is registered for copyright protection. It is not the same thing as a publication date.

In AACR2 we were conveniently allowed to substitute copyright date for a publication date. In RDA we have two separately defined elements, and we must always record a publication date, an estimation/guess of the publication date, or the phrase "[date of publication not identified]". In RDA, if you've recorded a publications date or an estimation/guess, then you are not required to record the copyright date as well (although you may do so, and the LC Policy Statement for the testing period said to always give it if it is on a resource). In RDA, copyright date is only a required element if the neither the date of publication nor date of distribution is identified.

Adam

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On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Kuhagen, Judith wrote:

Gene,

As stated several times on various lists, the two dates are different RDA elements. In your library if you have a Date of publication or in its absence a Date of distribution, you can ignore the Copyright date.

Judy

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Just a question here. What is the rationale in RDA for including both dates if they are the same?

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Kuhagen, Judith <j...@loc.gov<mailto:j...@loc.gov>> wrote: As Kathy noted, there will be a MARBI proposal about copyright date for the June 2011 ALA Annual Conference. That topic and others related to the 260 field were presented as discussion paper topics at the January 2011 ALA Midwinter Meeting. The other 260 topics will be covered by a MARBI proposal for June; it will include 008 information as well.

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Expect to see a MARBI Proposal for ALA Annual in New Orleans that proposes specific subfields for copyright and phonogram dates.

I would code the separate elements of publication date and copyright date in the fixed field as they appear in OCLC #670190952. MARC already enables us to separately encode publication date and copyright date in the fixed fields. Since these are separate elements, I can see no reason not to record both dates in the fixed fields, even if their character strings are identical.



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Jay Shorten said on Autocat:

OCLC 670190952 (no LC number), has 260c 2010, (c)2010.  Is it really
necessary to code this in the fixed fields as t 2010 2010? Wouldn't s
2010 be better?

In RDA publication date is a core element, but copyright date is not.
I expect to see more [2011], (c)2011 when the item has only copyright date. A subfield code is needed for copyright date.

I would code 008 s with a single date.

Also, shouldn't the 300 end in a period?

Under RDA ISBD practice, only when a 490 follows. We are still using the ISBD fiction that the ending mark of punctuation *introduces* the next field. As OPAC displays more and more deconstruct the ISBD display, it is time to abandon this fiction, and standardize ending punctuation of RDA elements and MARC fields. Field 246 needs one for example, to agree with 730/740, and to have a period on notes created by 246.



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