I agree with Adam's assessment about punctuation. Just wanted to point out, 
however, that RDA doesn't REQUIRE that expressions of complete works be 
qualified by a year of publication. Like any authorized access point that 
conflicts with another, it can be qualified by a term indicating content type, 
the date of expression, a term indicating the language, and/or a term 
indicating another distinguishing characteristic of the expression (RDA 
6.27.3). Just because we've traditionally distinguished expressions of the 
complete works of a person by the year of the expression's first publication 
doesn't mean that's the best or most thoughtful qualifier to use. In most 
cases, in my opinion, year of publication is actually quite a bad qualifier to 
use since very few of our users happen to know the year of publication of a 
particular expression but might very well know and be looking for the 
expression by a particular editor or publisher or translator:

Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. English (First folio)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. English (Pope)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. English (Norton Shakespeare)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. English (Riverside Shakespeare)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. English (Warburton)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. French (Guizot)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. French (Hugo)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. French (Pleiades)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. German (Schlegel and Tieck)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. German (Schücking)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. Spanish (Astrana Marín)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. Spanish (Martínez Lafuente)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. Spanish (Valverde)

Since access points continue to be important in our catalog environment, I'd 
hope that as we transition into RDA a bit more thought can be put into 
qualifying of conflicting access points. (Also, note that if there is no 
conflict, as is usually the case with an author's complete works except for 
famous people like Shakespeare, there may be no need to qualify this particular 
preferred title at all beyond, perhaps, language.)

Additionally, if we're talking about fast track changes, it would be nice if 
the RDA examples could be more neutral about qualifiers and show some examples 
of works qualifiers other than year of publication.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568 

"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to 
the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Added elements for expressions

It appears that these two examples,

Wilde, Oscar, 1854-1900. Works. 2000
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works. 2003. Yale University Press

while formulated in the same way we have been doing it in AACR2, probably 
do not conform to the punctuation instructions in E.1.2.5:

Enclose a word, phrase, date, or other designation used for conflict 
resolution in parentheses.

Separate a word, phrase, date, or other designation used for conflict 
resolution from another word, phrase, date, or other designation also used 
for conflict resolution by a space, colon, space.

If these instructions are followed, the examples should be rendered as:

Wilde, Oscar, 1854-1900. Works (2000)
Shakespeare, William, 1564-1616. Works (2003 : Yale University Press)

John, probably these two examples need to be corrected with fast-track 
process.

Note however, that this change from AACR2 requires many existing authority 
records to be changed in order to be coded as RDA.  Perhaps this is 
something the JSC needs to have a look at.  I don't think this came up on 
the list of changes needed to AACR2 records when recoding as RDA.

I do see that there are indeed two examples illustrating the prescribed 
punctuation in 6.28.4.4:

Beethoven, Ludwig van, 1770-1827. Ludwig van Beethovens Werke (1862)
Authorized access point for the compilation: Beethoven, Ludwig van, 
1770-1827. Works (1862)

Beethoven, Ludwig van, 1770-1827. Ludwig van Beethovens Werke (1949)
Authorized access point for the compilation: Beethoven, Ludwig van, 
1770-1827. Works (1949)

And also in 6.31.3.2:

Catholic Church. Pope (1978-2005 : John Paul II). Vita consecrata. English 
(Simplified version)
Catholic Church. Pope (1978-2005 : John Paul II). Vita consecrata. English 
(Institute on Religious Life)
Authorized access point for the expression: Catholic Church. Pope 
(1978-2005 : John Paul II). Vita consecrata. English (2004)

Catholic Church. Pope. Tutte le encicliche dei sommi pontefici (1940)
Authorized access point for the expression: Catholic Church. Pope. 
Encyclicals. Italian (1940)

Catholic Church. Pope. Tutte le encicliche dei sommi pontefici (1959)
Authorized access point for the expression: Catholic Church. Pope. 
Encyclicals. Italian (1959)

Catholic Church. Pope. Tutte le encicliche dei sommi pontefici (1964)
Authorized access point for the expression: Catholic Church. Pope. 
Encyclicals. Italian (1964)

--Adam Schiff

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2012, JOHN C ATTIG wrote:

> See Appendix E.1.1  Presentation of Access Points.  There is a section called 
> "Uniform Titles" (presumably because
> this is an attempt to reflect the punctuation in AACR2 Chapter 25).
> 
> John Attig
> Authority Control Librarian
> Penn State University
> jx...@psu.edu
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>       From: "Bernadette Mary O'Reilly" <bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk>
>       To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
>       Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 5:29:53 AM
>       Subject: [RDA-L] Added elements for expressions
>
>       Hallo
>
>        
>
>       In the near future I will need to draft some guidelines for colleagues 
> who will be using RDA with ISBD
>       and MARC21.  Most of them are multi-skilled and do fairly small amounts 
> of cataloguing, so the training
>       has to be quick and simple.  I will have to include guidelines for 
> creating RDA headings in
>       bibliographic records for entities for which there is no NACO record.  
> (We do not create new NACO
>       records for minor works or contributors.)
>
>        
>
>       I haven?t been able to find any rules about which additions to 
> Expression records should be in parentheses
>       and which should follow a full stop.  The examples (6.27.3) show most 
> additions, including publisher,
>       after a full stop but some (translator, text version, choreographer) in 
> parentheses.  (I was actually
>       quite surprised to find that a new choreography was regarded as only an 
> Expression-level distinction.) 
>       Appendix E does not specify punctuation for Other Distinguishing 
> Characteristics of the Expression.  I
>       have glanced through the PCC NACO training slides, but didn?t find 
> anything about this.
>
>        
>
>       Please could someone tell me where I should look for a rule?
>
>        
>
>       Many thanks,
>
>       Bernadette
>
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