Allan Sindelar wrote:
Matt and boB,
This is only somewhat relevant, but may help:
A few days ago, on initial bootup of a new system with a Magnum MS4024AE, we
easily ran a 1HP submersible at nearly 500' head plus pressurizing (single
pump system). However, this was a Grundfos SQ, so the soft-start made it
much easier. Steady draw was about 88ADC at 25 VDC, or around 2200 watts. I
had cautioned the client that this combination wasn't certain to work,
although I expected that it would.
Allan Sindelar
Hmmmm.... If this is a submersible pump, how would you really know it was trying to start or not ?
Maybe he just can't hear it trying to start, as short as that try might be ?

Yeah, I'd check the current and voltage when trying to start off the inverter and also the generator just for a reference point. Sounds like a great use of a PF meter actually.

boB



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Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Power Factor

Matt wrote:
Possibly a PF question, or maybe one for Magnum - boB,

One of the guys at work is (almost) running a 3/4 hp sub pump with a Magna
AE 48. Or rather, he isn't. According to him when he first fired it up, it
operated the pump just fine. The next time he tried, though. he couldn't
even get a buzz out of the starter. No workee.
Sounds kind of like a "pump is broken or worn out" problem, doesn't it ?

If there is enough ac voltage applied to the pump, the it should do ~something~, or lights should dim or some kind of sign should show itself, wouldn't you think ? Otherwise, I would suspect it might be a surge problem.

Is there a pilot light or something ? Maybe a fuse blew or breaker tripped somewhere ? (when the pump went off?)

Doesn't sound like a PF problem though... However, since you mention it, with loads that are not a 1.0 power factor, at least for displacement power factor, when reactive phase shift is involved, the inverter must be able to "sink" current from the stored reactive energy as well as be a source to the motor. The Magnum does that just fine, as does any other
decent inverter.

Maybe Tony, Eldon or Gary at Magnum has seen this before ?    425-353-8833

boB


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