Darryl,

You are probably aware of this but the Endurance machines are 240 VAC induction machines.
I had asked about their policy on AC coupling their turbines for off grid use and they were
less than enthusiastic.

You might want to touch base with Endurance Wind Power before proceeding.
Roy Butler
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®
NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer
PA Sunshine Program Approved PV Installer
Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC
8902 Route 46
Arkport, NY 14807
607-324-9747

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On 7/22/2010 9:09 PM, Darryl Thayer wrote:
I am talking with a customer who wants to do a standalone system using an Endurance wind machine, solar, and genset.   I have no experience with Endurance other than to know it is a good machine.  Talking with Magnum today they informed me that the MS 4XXX PAE inverter, combined with the ARC remote control, and BMK battery monitoring kit can do enhanced SOC control.  Has anyone compared this with the Outback as I have not used the PAE inverter yet, only the AE inverter? 
Darryl

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Darryl Thayer <daryl_so...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Darryl Thayer <daryl_so...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING
To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:35 PM

That is a good question, I have not an answer, but of course it should be based on the amp hour of the battery bank, absorb charging voltage, and of course the charging source in the case of generators.  Following Ron's advise start at C/5 for SOC less than 50% then C/10 till about 70% SOC and then C/15 till 80% then C/20 to 90 %. the problem we have no way to set these values, Perhaps Ron could give is a routine?  The closet to SOC charging is the Outback and then the Magnum but both miss the goal. 

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote:

From: Dana <d...@solarwork.com>
Subject: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING
To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 5:54 PM

As the % of full charge is related to the of degree absorption & gravity [the denser & more charged acid descending, and lighter acid rising] @ what point in the absorption would be prudent to stop charging?

 

I used to cut off the charge on the Trace SW series at 12 “return amps”, VS. the factory default I think was at 5 amps.  This has & continues to work well but I never had anyone really answer this function clearly.

 

Is there a battery manufacturer  or wrench that would care to comment on the: 

The minimum “Return” amps to disconnect for a “full” charge?

OR

The time required per 100 AHR after reaching the Absorption point setting for the mix to occur?

 

I realize that battery construction, battery condition, age and temperature and the current power usage will also play into this factor and it may not be a simple answer.

 

 

 

 

 

 Dana Orzel

 

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From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mark Frye
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM
To: al...@positiveenergysolar.com; 'RE-wrenches'
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

 

Allen,

 

Can I infer that if you are shutting off the gen before charge rates drop in absorption that you are running only briefly in the absorb phase? Or do your charge currents remain high through out an extended absortion phase?

 

Perhaps you have plenty of PV which you rely upon to bring the batteries up through the absorption phase, once the gen is shut off.

 

I would be interest to learn more about your approach to this.

 

Thanks,

 
Mark Frye
Berkeley Solar Electric Systems
303 Redbud Way
Nevada City,  CA 95959
(530) 401-8024
www.berkeleysolar.com 

 

 


From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:17 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

The Onan RS20000 shown in the generators article in HP 131 page 98 has performed flawlessly as backup support to an Outback quad-stack of VFX3648s. Differences, however, are that this 20kW gennie charges four inverters, rather than two; the elevation is 6,600 feet for about a 20% output deration; there are no huge loads above charging draw; and the client is aware enough to shut it off before absorption reduces the charge rate - all different conditions than you have described, as the gennie is usually fully loaded and running in balance.

Darryl is right about the amount of words necessary.

Allan Sindelar
Allan@positiveenergysolar.com
NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer
EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Positive Energy, Inc.
3201 Calle Marie
Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
505 424-1112
www.positiveenergysolar.com

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