Wrenches: In all of the jurisdictions in which we work we are allowed to use stand-alone power as the primary power source if we can numerically justify that we are providing adequate capacity. We use a spreadsheet originated by Windy Dankoff that we have modified over the years to size systems. We submit that spreadsheet with the building permit packet and it is routinely approved.
One could argue that this numerical analysis of loads and the means to power them is adequate proof that a stand-alone power system can be an absolutely viable power source. Good luck, William Miller Lic 773985 millersolar.com 805-438-5600 -----Original Message----- From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Rebekah Hren Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 7:52 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Off grid in Florida I gotta say here that utilities don't control construction permits or C.O.s, rather it is the local jurisdictional authority. So the idea that FPL is somehow mandating grid-connection for all construction seems preposterous to me. It is up to the individual AHJs, and the NEC has clear requirements for stand-alone systems power supply, in fact Article 710 added a very helpful section- 710.15(A) on the minimum power requirements for stand-alone systems (below). Of course, insurance, resale - that's a different story, but the AHJ is the one to ask about power supply requirements, not the utility. (A) Supply Output. Power supply to premises wiring systems shall be permitted to have less capacity than the calculated load. The capacity of the stand-alone supply shall be equal to or greater than the load posed by the largest single utilization equipment connected to the system. Calculated general lighting loads shall not be considered as a single load. 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