William I have a few blue ion installs that was used for testing. I used eguage to monitor all DC in and out of each stack of 16k with no issues. The BMU manages everything and can be chained to each other to reduce or even prevent that issue. I have seen Blue Ions original stacks greater then 100k with years in the field, so with that cross bleed should be not a problem. Jerry
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 4:59 PM William Miller <will...@millersolar.com> wrote: > Friends: > > > > I am a complete newbie to any lithium technologies, so please forgive some > newbie questions: > > > > I am used to working in amp hours. If we are looking for a battery bank > in the range of 100 kWh, this converts to about 2,083 amp/hours at 48 VDC. > Is my arithmetic correct? An on-line calculator seems to confirm this. > > > > The biggest Blue Ion 2 battery is 16 kwh. At 48 VDC this is about 333 > amp/hours. This is like an L16. To get 100 kwh you would need to parallel > 6 strings of the 16 kWh batteries. I would never do this with L-16s. Is > anyone worried about circulating currents in this type of installation? Is > there technology to prevent one string from cannibalizing another? > > > > Here is another, more academic question below: > > > > In case I am using a term I made up (which is often the case), I define > circulating currents as currents flowing between parallel strings without > any outside influence. For example, if you disconnected all charging and > loads from an array with two parallel strings, unless the strings were > absolutely identical in electrical characteristics, there would be some > current flowing between the two strings. In my opinion this is the > Achilles heel in parallel strings. Also my opinions: 2. The more strings > you have the more chance there will be debilitating circulating currents. > 3. The older the batteries, the more the electrical characteristics will > vary and the more likely you will get higher circulating currents. > > > > It is my theory that if you can measure the circulating currents, or the > difference between parallel battery strings at any point in the operation > of same, you can get a read on the health of the strings. The more the > operating or idle currents diverge, the more one string will discharge the > other string. I guess this is some part of a battery management system. I > am guessing for the Blue Ion 2 to work in 6 parallel strings, they need to > monitor and control this difference in currents. > > > > We just installed a flooded battery array (2 strings of 4 Deka M6100-33 > batteries). My plan is to retrofit the installation with a 1000A/100mv > shunt in the negative leads of both strings. With a DVM I can spot check > the circulating currents to learn about the battery health. In fact I have > a remote monitoring system > <https://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/Portfolio/Commercial/Cal_Trans/Remote/Remote_Control.html> > with some spare ports that can log these values. Might be an interesting > experiment. > > > > I appreciate any input on the viability of the Blue Ion 2 or other small > battery systems in multi-string installations. My customers are asking for > new technology, but I instinctively avoid parallel battery strings. > > > > William Miller > > > > > > > > Miller Solar > > 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422 > > 805-438-5600 > > www.millersolar.com > > CA Lic. 773985 > > > > Quote of the month: “As they age, batteries transition from energy > > storage devices to energy consuming devices.“ W. Miller > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On > Behalf Of *Lou Russo > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2019 1:50 PM > *To:* RE-wrenches > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Large Off-Grid Residential System > > > > Blue Ion 2.0 with Outback or SMA. Works every time. > > Blue Planet's tech support is great, the warranty is even better. > > > > Aloha, > > > > Lou Russo > > l...@spreesolarsystems.com > > 808 345 6762 > > Spree Solar Systems LLC > > CT-34322 > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 10:36 AM Jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Marco, > > > > Is the max surge 7kw, which is what is listed on line? > > > > Jay > > Peltz Power > > > On Jul 19, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf <ma...@pvthawaii.com> > wrote: > > Seven to eight Tesla Powerwalls will get you that assuming that the > service entrance is no bigger than 200A. > > > > marco > > On Friday, July 19, 2019, Jason Szumlanski < > ja...@floridasolardesigngroup.com> wrote: > > What are current popular options for battery based systems in the 100kWh > range? Preferably Lithium. > > > > Also, what inverter pairing is suggested with total stacked capacity of > 36kW, 120/240V? > > > > This is slightly larger than some of the systems I have worked with > recently. I'm a bit out of the loop, particularly on the battery side of > things. > > > > Jason Szumlanski > > Florida Solar Design Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > >
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