When it comes to Recycling Lead it depends on the content of the Lead Battery...
To my knowledge, Just to name a few... Rolls Batteries, Trojan, Deka, Crown are generally all 98 to 99% recyclable... In developed countries where there are smelters 99% + of all lead acid batteries are indeed recycled... In countries without a smelter, I'm sad to say there are many dead batteries that never make it to the smelter. On that note all over the world there are landfills, or even garbage collection trucks catching fire because people have disposed of their lithium battery in the trash... I've got a video of what happens when you try to recycle lithium batteries in a lead recycling plant, here's the link... https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8PfY_G1pzpqa2VTVXRZV1VuSlE/view?usp=sharing One of the more common additives to lead base batteries Cadmium, or other heavy metals. this is toxic and contaminates the lead, which makes any lead battery with Cadmium in it hazardous waste. Instead of getting back a core charge you'll have to pay a disposal fee, or worse the recycling center just won't take the battery. Lead Carbon, Lead Antimonoy, and Lead Calcium are generally all fully recyclable as long as they don't have any of the other heavy metals in them. Make sure you check the SDS information before you buy new chemistries... >From the research I've done over the past few years Lithium based batteries, and there are 50+ various chemistries. Recyclabiltiy ranges from 4% to about 15% of the total battery, depending on the manufacturer. LFP, is at this point the least toxic of them all, and unfortunately the least power dense, isn't recyclable, but "supposedly" can be disposed of in a landfill. That is at least what some cell manufactures tell us... I personally find that very hard to believe! Generally with LFP batteries they will recycle the electronics, plastic, or steel case, the actual lithium, I'm guessing is being stockpiled and stored at this point, waiting for a recycling solution. I really hope they aren't being landfilled, or incinerated, but nobody that I've spoken with on the subject really knows where the dead product is really going. Frankly all this is one of the many reasons Rolls has taken so..so. long to ship a Lithium based solution... 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I was told that Blue Planet was >> working to find a less wasteful alternative, and that I could pay >> (substantially) extra to reduce the volume of packaging. >> >> To date I haven't heard from them about end-of-life recycling; given >> their promised long service life, I admit that I have succumbed to the 'by >> then there will be structures in place to address the need' avoidance. >> >> I would appreciate having a Blue Planet manufacturer's representative on >> this list. >> >> Allan >> -- >> >> *Allan Sindelar* >> al...@sindelarsolar.com >> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional >> New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician >> Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc. >> *505 780-2738 cell* >> >> >> On 9/27/2019 8:48 AM, Kirpal wrote: >> >> Hi Mark. Great question! This is an important consideration. Tesla has >> a recycling facility at their Nevada plant for their batteries. Curious >> how other LFP manufacturers recommend end of life handling. >> Speaking of waste, As you all are installing systems of all varieties, >> what are you finding with regard to non sustainable packaging in all your >> "clean" energy materials. I am troubled that after many of our installs we >> have a pile of plastic and styrofoam as big as the the balance of system >> installation. Sometimes bigger. It drives me crazy to have this blight on >> our installation. I am often embarrassed when the customer points out this >> dichotomy of the installation. Which manufacturers are you happiest with >> in regards to environmentally friendly packaging materials for inverters, >> other balance of system, and batteries (probably LFePho4)? Collectively >> we should have the ability to pressure them to use more sustainable >> packaging. >> I have seen some improvements and some half way implemented changes, but >> a lot more can be done to improve this aspect of our industry. All of us >> can help....Together we have a big voice. >> >> Sunny Regards, >> Kirpal Khalsa >> Oregon LRT#25 >> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional >> Oregon Solarworks LLC >> www.oregonsolarworks.com >> 541-299-0402 >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 7:34 AM Mark Frye <ma...@berkeleysolar.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> Has anyone done a good review of the current state of affairs re: >>> recycling Li batteries? >>> >>> I am a bit in the past with a starry-eyed view of Pb with HUP, in >>> particular, believing that Pb batteries have almost a closed cycle >>> product life, ie, we already have infrastructure to recycle something >>> like 95% of the material in Pb batteries. >>> >>> Taking a step back, has our industry become just as jaded by our shiny >>> new technology as every other sector of our economy, focusing on >>> impressive new short term outcomes that are not really embedded within >>> the frame work of a sustainable future? >>> >>> This is why I ask about the recyclablility / sustainability of Li >>> batteries? Some what agnostic here but wondering what the thinking >>> around this is? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mark Frye >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> > > -- > > > > Mac Lewis > > *"Yo solo sé que no sé nada." -Sócrates* > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > >
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