Having been in the solar biz since 1988 I can, but will not make a list of products that have come & gone; products that have been Guinea pigged on all of us, promises that have been made & not kept, equipment that has caught fire & individuals that have made unrealistic promises to clients that have really damaged the reputations of the balance of those of us who are trying to build a reliable & reputable reputations in a still growing now teen aged industry.
That said I have held back on installing new product introductions & still do on say micro inverters: they get really hot & really cold & the long term reliability of a product that suffers that will suffer in the long run. I do not know of many 5-8 year old micro inverter systems that have not had at least some inverter components replaced. I remember the first micro inverter training class that I attended & the presenter kept using the term mean time to failure, & I questioned this term. The response was that the components used in similar situations should allow for a similar life span. I had this discussion today with a friend who has a unobstructed south facing roof with no shading, with a micro inverter system that is looking at expanding & wanted more micro inverters because he felt the information on what every inverter/module pair was doing was important. I asked him but what fails? The answer was: Not the Module but the inverter that was the weak link. So why use a micro invert in his application? String inverters? Less so but I have seen failure rashes of at least 1 Manu that have surfaced I have had to address multiple similar sized units replacement, at least I was standing on the ground to repair. New products for offgrid & grid tie continue to come online regularly. Today at least UL/ETL type testing awards some level of reliability & takes some of the concern out for us as installers. At this point you are wondering where the heck is I am going with this rant? * How many companies have really followed thru with their promises? * How many companies products really last as promised? * How many companies have available, accurate, & prompt/timely customer tech service? * How many companies get the replacement components out the door promptly? I really try to support manufacturers, wholesalers, & companies that meet these criteria. Dana Orzel - E - d...@solarwork.com - C - 208.721.7003 From: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> On Behalf Of Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 9:41 AM To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Cc: Jerry Shafer <jerrysgarag...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Edge - appears generator integration is not on any near-term path to completion When it comes to what manufacturers will have in the future, guaranteeing or stating that a product will have a feature in the future is mostly doomed to failure, enphase, LG Chem, Ford and so many obsolete inverter manufacturers that have come and gone. You might as well be selling snake oil, you are backing yourself into a corner that has no good way out, just dont sell something that is not there yet. You can use this in your favor by telling your customer at the kitchen table that anyone that is selling you on a gen set integration better be able to back it up with facts and if they can't, Well, now the customer will have more belief in you as a result. SE has some grand plans but until they are in place and actually working do yourself a favor and don't sell what is not available yet. You need to remember that you are a contractor or acting in behalf of a contractor and stating something that is not fact for being fact is a lie and that can get the contractor in hot water. Jerry NABCEP PV Inspector On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 6:24 AM Scot Arey via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > wrote: Wrenches, This more of a public service announcement. Many of us have installed Energy Hub inverters with Backup Interface Units (BIU). Based on SolarEdge marketing materiel, we have told customers that generator integration was on the way. Well, 4th quarter 2021 came and went and still no path forward. I had asked one of the SolarEdge Directors of Sales if SolarEdge could release a formal new release or updated tech note that installers could pass to customers who want to know, “when can I integrate the generator like you told me we could?” SolarEdge won’t make any such announcement and the best I could get form the Director was to perhaps “get it removed from all marketing material.” “Generator – we don’t have an update. This is significantly harder than it might seem. The last thing we can do is have generators or inverters failing. It is not hard to get the generator to turn on/off. It is everything else that a homeowner is going to expect the systems to do together. The ask has been sent up the chain of command to get it removed from all marketing materials.” But that still leaves installers holding the bag, as it was us at kitchen tables saying, “yes – this capability is coming.” Without SolarEdge providing a formal release, it has in essence shifted its ‘loss of goodwill’ to us. I’m pretty fired up about it as it is one of many decisions where SolarEdge shifts costs back to the installers, to their benefit (consider the long queue for tech support and their response, “ok you have to be onsite for us to do something before we RMA it.” Which would be fine if we were not forced to wait hour-plus for tech support. Would enjoy hearing what you are telling customers. 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