Dave Nothing should be attached to the back sheet as it can be an issue down the road, I might want to look at looping the cords to let them statically remain in location without the tape, the loop will prevent drooping and if properly located rest on the rail. Jerry
On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 1:07 PM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Hi all, > I realize it has been a while, but I've been meaning to send out an > update. With these modules in particular, one lead was long enough to get a > clip on the side frame. We found that if we put the upper rail as low as > possible allowed by the module (about 19.75" from the top) then it roughly > split the distance from the junction box to the microinverter. It seems > that even over time, there is not enough slack with the rail there for the > wire to ever reach the roof. It is possible that it will eventually sag > such that the wire is visible under the rails, but at least for now, you > cannot see any wires under the array. > > Cheers, > Dave > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 1:23 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > >> Except if it is UL listed and tested as part of the assembly. Haha. I >> seriously don't that happened, but technically... >> >> Bottom line, a manufacturer should supply guidance on this. >> >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 1:02 PM Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches < >> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >> >>> Tape is not approved as a wire retaining device as far as I can find in >>> the NEC :-] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dana Orzel - E - d...@solarwork.com - C - 208.721.7003 >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> *On >>> Behalf Of *Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:40 AM >>> *To:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> >>> *Cc:* Jerry Shafer <jerrysgarag...@gmail.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] wire management on Qcell AC module >>> >>> >>> >>> Regarding the tape on the back sheet >>> >>> I have seen Novis installers keep the tape to secure the modules and I >>> have also seen it with the tape stll attached to the wires laying on the >>> roof so in my humble opinion the tape is for shipping only and is not to be >>> used as a wire management system. >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> NABCEP PV Inspector >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:37 AM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches < >>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I just got some of the Qcell 360w AC modules that have the Enphase >>> microinverter factory applied to the back. The module is the half cut cell >>> type with the DC leads coming from either side of the middle of the module. >>> The modules come with the wires taped to the back of the module. If you >>> remove that tape, there appears to be almost no way to properly manage >>> those wires. Is that tape meant to just keep the wire on the back of the >>> module forever? Would that even last more than a year? I am curious what >>> other people have done for these if they have used them or something >>> similar. Maybe if you get the rail in the right spot, the wires will just >>> sit on the rail... >>> >>> >>> >>> I realize that we have had a thread on wire management with half cut >>> cell modules before, but this is a little different, as I am specifically >>> asking about that tape and if anyone knows if it holds up over time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> [image: Logo] <https://www.sungineersolar.com/> >>> >>> >>> *Dave Tedeyan, P.E.Owner | Sungineer Solar* >>> >>> *p: *he | him | his >>> *a: *1653 Slaterville Rd. | Ithaca, NY 14850 >>> *w:* www.sungineersolar.com <http://www.sungineersolar.com/> >>> *c:* (607) 288-2898 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>> >>> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> There are two list archives for searching. 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