Good for you Trudy
Don
Don Clark
President
Indigenous Social Justice Association
PO Box K555
Haymarket NSW 1240
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There can be no real reconciliation without social justice
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From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: RecOzNet2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, 20 March 2000 1:44 P.M.
Subject: [recoznet2] Answer to your concerns
> I will try to address as many issues that have been brought up as
> possible.
>
> First of all, when Bruce was going to leave the list in limbo, there was
> a yawning silence from all members. Some spoke up and wanted to keep it
> going but noone except Paul and me stepped in to keep it going. Paul is
> still in England so I am 'it'.
>
> Paul and I worked out the rules because we were going to be the list
> owners. I remember there was no 'democratic' vote on removals when Bruce
> had the list either.
>
> The list has been in existence for over a year now and, until now, noone
> has had anything to say about the rules.
>
> I'm sorry if I didn't understand that some of the members on this list
> subscribe to situational ethics. We can ask people like Karen to have
> respect and empathy for Aboriginal Australians but we are not bound by
> those rules of behaviour on this list if we don't feel like it? We
> believe in consideration and justice only for those we approve of?
> Sounds like something Howard would do.
>
> I have tried to explain why Laurie was removed but noone is listening. I
> contacted Laurie off-list because 1) I don't believe in public
> embarrassment, 2) I could see where it was likely to go in light of
> Laurie's intemperate language in the past 3) I was hoping to head off a
> brawl on the list, 4) I DID NOT INTEND TO REMOVE LAURIE FROM THE LIST
> FOR WHAT HE HAD SAID. I'm sorry to shout but I want that to be clear.
>
> What happened is that Laurie set himself above everyone else and decided
> that the rules did not apply to him. He suggested I'd better get my
> unsub finger ready because he intended to personally attack anyone he
> felt deserved it on the list or off. I didn't feel he left me much of a
> choice then. He can attack anyone he likes off the list but not on it.
>
> Someone had a problem with what constituted a personal attack. It's very
> simple. Attacking views is fine, attacking the person as if they were
> the views, is not. Something along the lines of 'You are behaving
> stupidly' is fine, 'you are stupid' is not. Unless, of course, you want
> to ensure that the person concerned clams up and doesn't listen to or
> consider anything you say and at no time in the future will be ready to
> change their mind.
> That will help Aboriginal Australians a lot, right?
>
> We will run into more Karens in the future and it is better that we
> learn to deal with it without letting people who hold those view
> dehumanise us. I suggest that we learn to hone our skills in promoting
> and defending the rights of our Aboriginal brothers and sisters instead
> of attacking the people holding those views. Yes, they are racist views.
> I have no trouble with that word and have used it many times myself. But
> if we want to open the door to enlightenment, now or in the future for
> people like that, then a personal attack will have the opposite effect.
> People under attack will defend their position and be in no mood to
> listen.
>
> Justice is defending the rights of those you don't like as well as
> insisting on that behaviour from those you do.
>
> I must say I am a little amazed at how some of you seem to be deciding
> that I can keep on doing 'my wonderful job' while you decide who stays
> and goes without consulting me. I'm afraid it's not on.
>
> Laurie can come back any time he decides that the rules apply to him
> just like everyone else. Anyone who wants him to come back and be the
> only one exempt from the rules is on the wrong list.
>
> Now let's get back to what we are here for and stop wasting any more
> time on disrupters.
>
> Trudy
>
>
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