Was that really the discussion that you started with? ________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Fri Oct 09 12:43:14 2009 Subject: Re: Lackey Wow, you were right and you weren't even part of the discussion. Impressive. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> wrote: I wasn’t there, but I remember a vehement argument around that time. Rest Pedro and start Stanton. The chances of winning the series is better that way. I was proven right. A bunch of guys were saying that you have to win the next game. Thus you have to pitch Pedro on 3 days rest. Hooey. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Lackey I take a large issue with the "flat" issue. I don't think Baseball is a game of passion like Football or Hockey. Quite the contrary, trying to hard can have an adverse affect on performance. On a lighter note, I'd like to take this moment to wish us all a happy anniversary. It was 10 years ago this month a few of us began emailing with each other to chronicle the historic first (and ultimately disappointing) battle between teh Sox and Yankees in 99. The emails grew into a listserve that you see and enjoy today. Hard to believe. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:07 PM, William Marino <[email protected]> wrote: It is the special High Definition feelings channel. The one that let’s you get into the players’ heads. Kidding aside, this is a common theme on the debates on this board. Ray leads the numbers only camp. John (I think) leads the intuition camp (Ray would say witchcraft camp). I think there is more intuition that Ray thinks and more to the numbers than John thinks. This is why I’ve come around on Francona. I think he walks this line very, very well. Sox will win tonight. Becket has an extra gear in the playoffs. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beaudoin, John Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Lackey Well I FEEL that they were 3000 miles away, tense in the play-offs, and playing until their body clock of 1AM, starting at a time when they would normally wind down at home on the couch. It matters. But they’ll be back today. Just wait and see. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Lackey The numbers actually support your hyphothesis. I was listening to Felger and Mazz on the Sports Hub yesterday. (As an aside, a vast improvement over the Big Show. I highly recommend setting your dial to 98.5 rather than 850. Or, visit, 985thesportshub.com <http://985thesportshub.com/> and listen online.) Anyway, some Globe or Boston.com reporter ran the numbers. The Sox are hitting something like .217 against the best pitchers in the league (not sure of the number or how they're defined, but I'll trust the reporter.) League average against those same pitchers is .240. The Angels hit .270 against those same pitchers. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: wimp. Seriously though, what I said was that the team is not hitting. Call it "flat", call it "lack of momentum", call it a random period of bad luck, whatever, hitting has been a problem against good teams lately (ie. the Yankees in September). Ray asked "why is it bad hitting and not good pitching?" and I used Lackey's stats to illustrate my point that while Lackey (and Darren Oliver) are good pitchers, we are making any decent pitcher look like a Cy Young candidate right now. Maybe that will change tonight. I certainly hope so. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Lackey Course the only feeling I got was the top of the couch cushion on the back of my head. Tried to stay up, but... On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: Now see, you should reference the numbers... ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Salemi Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Lackey Feeling = talking out of ass. Seriously, you guys watched this televison right? What kind of feeling would you get from 3000 miles away. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: I agree. However, when trying to communicate with Ray, I find he responds best to numbers. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beaudoin, John Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Lackey We were flat. You know I'm not a numbers guy, but rather a feeling guy. I felt they were flat. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Fri Oct 09 08:08:21 2009 Subject: Lackey Yeah, you're right, I don't mean to take anything away from Lackey. He was good. I just think we made him look better than he really is last night. On the season the guy has a 1.27 WHIP, 3.83 ERA and a .263 BAA. Good numbers, but remember that he's pitching a lot of those games against the depths of the AL West. For the game last night he was 0.67 WHIP, 0.0 ERA and .153 BAA. You would think an offense like ours should be able to produce at least average numbers against him. In general I just feel like our bats are not producing. Plus I knew I would get a rise out of you if I mentioned anything about momentum, streaks or trends. Big game tonight - I'm glad to know Beckett is taking the ball. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Salemi Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Orsillo Why is it that when the other team gets no runs its due to our great pitching, but when we get no runs its due to our lousy hitting. Are we the only team with great pitching? On 10/9/09, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: > The calls at first base were just unbelievably bad. Lester got > screwed out of a couple strikeouts too. > > Bottom line is the team is not hitting! I'm not going to bring up the > M word, but Francona put the bats to sleep in the last 3 weeks of the season. > It's hard to just flip the switch and say it's playoff time! > > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beaudoin, John > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Orsillo > > Watched it all while chatting online. > > Worst umpiring I've seen in a long time. > > Everyone was tight. Nerves. Both teams and umps. > > Lester looked great. Defense sucked and had brilliant moments too. > Hitting was ... Not > > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu Oct 08 20:08:33 2009 > Subject: Orsillo > > Anybody watching? > > umpires suck. > > Nice to have Orsillo doing the play by play... > > > > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in Just 12 Weeks" www.leadingafteralayoff.com <http://www.leadingafteralayoff.com/> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
