I don't recall specifically, but I'm sure it came up. Had to. You're right. That was a big deal at the time.
I was at the first Roger-Pedro game where Fenway erupted in teh "Where is Roger!" "In the Shower!" Chant. Good times. We were filled with such hope. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]>wrote: > Was that really the discussion that you started with? > > ------------------------------ > *From*: [email protected] <[email protected]> > *To*: [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Sent*: Fri Oct 09 12:43:14 2009 > *Subject*: Re: Lackey > > Wow, you were right and you weren't even part of the discussion. > Impressive. > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Beaudoin, John > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I wasn’t there, but I remember a vehement argument around that time. >> >> Rest Pedro and start Stanton. The chances of winning the series is better >> that way. I was proven right. A bunch of guys were saying that you have to >> win the next game. Thus you have to pitch Pedro on 3 days rest. Hooey. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 3:16 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> >> >> I take a large issue with the "flat" issue. I don't think Baseball is a >> game of passion like Football or Hockey. Quite the contrary, trying to hard >> can have an adverse affect on performance. >> >> >> >> On a lighter note, I'd like to take this moment to wish us all a happy >> anniversary. It was 10 years ago this month a few of us began emailing with >> each other to chronicle the historic first (and ultimately disappointing) >> battle between teh Sox and Yankees in 99. The emails grew into a listserve >> that you see and enjoy today. >> >> >> >> Hard to believe. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:07 PM, William Marino <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> It is the special High Definition feelings channel. The one that let’s >> you get into the players’ heads. >> >> >> >> Kidding aside, this is a common theme on the debates on this board. Ray >> leads the numbers only camp. John (I think) leads the intuition camp (Ray >> would say witchcraft camp). I think there is more intuition that Ray thinks >> and more to the numbers than John thinks. This is why I’ve come around on >> Francona. I think he walks this line very, very well. >> >> >> >> Sox will win tonight. Becket has an extra gear in the playoffs. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Beaudoin, John >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 2:02 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: Lackey >> >> >> >> Well I FEEL that they were 3000 miles away, tense in the play-offs, and >> playing until their body clock of 1AM, starting at a time when they would >> normally wind down at home on the couch. It matters. But they’ll be back >> today. Just wait and see. >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 1:33 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> >> >> The numbers actually support your hyphothesis. >> >> >> >> I was listening to Felger and Mazz on the Sports Hub yesterday. (As an >> aside, a vast improvement over the Big Show. I highly recommend setting your >> dial to 98.5 rather than 850. Or, visit, 985thesportshub.com and listen >> online.) >> >> >> >> Anyway, some Globe or Boston.com reporter ran the numbers. The Sox are >> hitting something like .217 against the best pitchers in the league (not >> sure of the number or how they're defined, but I'll trust the reporter.) >> League average against those same pitchers is .240. >> >> >> >> The Angels hit .270 against those same pitchers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> wimp. >> >> >> >> Seriously though, what I said was that the team is not hitting. Call it >> "flat", call it "lack of momentum", call it a random period of bad luck, >> whatever, hitting has been a problem against good teams lately (ie. the >> Yankees in September). Ray asked "why is it bad hitting and not good >> pitching?" and I used Lackey's stats to illustrate my point that while >> Lackey (and Darren Oliver) are good pitchers, we are making any decent >> pitcher look like a Cy Young candidate right now. >> >> >> >> Maybe that will change tonight. I certainly hope so. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi >> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 1:07 PM >> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> >> >> Course the only feeling I got was the top of the couch cushion on the back >> of my head. Tried to stay up, but... >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Now see, you should reference the numbers... >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 1:03 PM >> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> >> >> Feeling = talking out of ass. >> >> >> >> Seriously, you guys watched this televison right? What kind of feeling >> would you get from 3000 miles away. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree. However, when trying to communicate with Ray, I find he responds >> best to numbers. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Beaudoin, John >> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 11:26 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> We were flat. You know I'm not a numbers guy, but rather a feeling guy. >> I felt they were flat. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri Oct 09 08:08:21 2009 >> Subject: Lackey >> >> >> >> Yeah, you're right, I don't mean to take anything away from Lackey. He >> was good. I just think we made him look better than he really is last >> night. On the season the guy has a 1.27 WHIP, 3.83 ERA and a .263 BAA. >> Good numbers, but remember that he's pitching a lot of those games against >> the depths of the AL West. For the game last night he was 0.67 WHIP, 0.0 >> ERA and .153 BAA. You would think an offense like ours should be able to >> produce at least average numbers against him. >> >> In general I just feel like our bats are not producing. Plus I knew I >> would get a rise out of you if I mentioned anything about momentum, streaks >> or trends. >> >> Big game tonight - I'm glad to know Beckett is taking the ball. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:12 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Orsillo >> >> >> Why is it that when the other team gets no runs its due to our great >> pitching, but when we get no runs its due to our lousy hitting. >> >> Are we the only team with great pitching? >> >> On 10/9/09, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The calls at first base were just unbelievably bad. Lester got >> > screwed out of a couple strikeouts too. >> > >> > Bottom line is the team is not hitting! I'm not going to bring up the >> > M word, but Francona put the bats to sleep in the last 3 weeks of the >> season. >> > It's hard to just flip the switch and say it's playoff time! >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Beaudoin, John >> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:25 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Orsillo >> > >> > Watched it all while chatting online. >> > >> > Worst umpiring I've seen in a long time. >> > >> > Everyone was tight. Nerves. Both teams and umps. >> > >> > Lester looked great. Defense sucked and had brilliant moments too. >> > Hitting was ... Not >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: [email protected] >> > <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Thu Oct 08 20:08:33 2009 >> > Subject: Orsillo >> > >> > Anybody watching? >> > >> > umpires suck. >> > >> > Nice to have Orsillo doing the play by play... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in >> Just 12 Weeks" >> www.leadingafteralayoff.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
