Right. Like those of you who choose to ignore the fact that Beckett has consistently performed better with Tek as his catcher. But I will say once again...if Victor Martinez were still on the team ( or another legitimate hitting catcher) I would advise Beckett to suck it up and pitch to the new guy. On Apr 23, 2011 2:16 PM, "Ray Salemi" <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill James himself has said that it's more than sabermetrics. The problem > is when facts are completely ignored for intangibles to the detriment of the > team. Sure Tek might possibly make Beckett more comfortable, but make no > mistake, if we had a real catcher with him then Tek's role would have to be > "Beckett's Binky". We couldn't afford otherwise. > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Must have been his Mom..... >> >> Sox have put together a decent little run here and are closing in on .500, >> with zero contribution from Crawford, and little from Youkilis, >> Ellsbury... and, oh yeah, the catching position (saw something about that >> somewhere on line, I think). >> >> On the catching thing, I don't think every aspect of the game can be boiled >> down to a sabermetric. At least, I hope not. It may be as >> simple as Beckett feeling more confident with Varitek behind the plate, >> leading him to believe more in his stuff and not thinking too >> much. Was watching the Mets game last night and the announcers were >> discussing Mike Pelfrey and Henry Blanco, his >> catcher last year. Blanco actually called Pelfrey this week and told him to >> think less and just pitch what the catcher calls for. He said >> that is what Pelfrey needs to do. End result? Pelfrey allows one run in 7 >> innings, his best performance of the year, against the D-backs. >> Who, interestingly enough, now have Henry Blanco sitting on their bench. >> Wonder how Kirk Gibson likes that?? >> >> >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Steve Gendron <[email protected]> >> *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sat, April 23, 2011 12:41:54 PM >> >> *Subject:* RE: Tek must go >> >> Did you happen to see the woman sitting in those field level seats behind >> the plate pointing at the ball? “ Hey Jarod, it’s over here!” >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: http://www.cadence.com/mail/footer_gray_640.gif] >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Matt & Olga McSorley >> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:09 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Tek must go >> >> >> >> Watching the 8th inning tonight, I have one thought: Salty is worse behind >> the plate than I thought. I've never seen a catcher lose sight of a ball >> that went directly through him and back to the backstop. And he allowed a >> 37-year-old man to score from second on it. >> >> >> >> Not optimistic about him at all. >> >> >> >> -- Matt >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Fri, April 22, 2011 9:13:09 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Tek must go >> >> Oh I'll give him a chance. >> >> No choice really. >> >> On Apr 22, 2011 7:09 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > All I'm saying is give the guy a fair chance. He's no sure thing, but >> > he could be good. I don't consider 36 AB a fair chance. >> > >> > I told you Jeremy Giambi was going to be good once too, and what happened >> there? >> > >> > Steve O >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I actually think Beckett indicated Tek is his preferred catcher but I'm >> not >> >> sure. BUT you're talking about a much younger Beckett. People change and >> >> preferences change. >> >> >> >> Any way I am ready to LOVE Salty but he can't catch and he can't hit. >> Not >> >> yet anyway. >> >> >> >> On Apr 22, 2011 7:00 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Well, that put me in my place. >> >>> >> >>> Just saying that someone much smarter than me is saying that he can't >> >>> find any statistical evidence that all the savvy and pitch-framing in >> >>> the world amounts to anything. Is it hard to believe that someone with >> >>> the experience and athletic ability to get to the majors actually >> >>> possesses these basic skills? Like every first baseman can catch a >> >>> pickoff throw (Mo Vaughn excepted)? Every pitcher can cover first on a >> >>> bunt (David Wells excepted)? >> >>> >> >>> Josh Beckett was a master with Mike Redmond behind the plate; he >> >>> doesn't need a personal binky. That's an insult to him. >> >>> >> >>> Steve O >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> Well gee I had no idea catching wasn't a skilled position. Let's put >> >>>> Lowrie >> >>>> behind there. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Apr 22, 2011 6:43 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> Keith Woolner, who was administrator for the other Red Sox list for >> >>>>> years, wrote for BP and now works for the first-place Indians, did an >> >>>>> in-depth study on catcher defense, in BP and in a chapter ("Is Mike >> >>>>> Matheny a catching genius?") of the book "Baseball by the Numbers." >> >>>>> Interesting stuff, and the conclusion: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "One of the most controversial results from the sabermetric community >> >>>>> is the lack of evidence supporting big differences in catcher >> >>>>> defensive ability, other than differences in controlling the running >> >>>>> games ... the further we look into the realm of catcher performance, >> >>>>> the fewer places the elusive realm of catcher influence has to hide. >> >>>>> There is no objective evidence that the catchers considered to be the >> >>>>> best at their craft actually improve pitcher efficiency, increase >> >>>>> strike rates, induce more misses and fouls, or do anything else to >> >>>>> reduce batters' offensive output." >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Steve O >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Steve Ouellette >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> That's not consistent. You're saying Tek is five runs better than >> the >> >>>>>> generic catcher defensively? Per game? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Beckett's ERA with Paul Lo Duca, Mike Redmond and noted poor pitch >> >>>>>> caller Pudge Rodriguez: 3.46. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Steve O >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> Those numbers are consistent with Beckett's Tek vs. Non-Tek numbers >> >>>>>>> over >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> past four years. To say catchers don't matter is silly. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011 5:14 PM, "Ray Salemi" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> This is a low sample size issue. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>>> Groups >> >>>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> . >> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>>> [email protected]. >> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] . >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>> [email protected]. >> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> [email protected]. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> [email protected]. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Author of Robot > Haiku< http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1440511977?ie=UTF8&tag=rayspicks&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1440511977 > > : Poems > for humans to read until their robots decide it's kill time. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >
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