Watching the 8th inning tonight, I have one thought: Salty is worse behind the plate than I thought. I've never seen a catcher lose sight of a ball that went directly through him and back to the backstop. And he allowed a 37-year-old man to score from second on it.
Not optimistic about him at all. -- Matt ________________________________ From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:13:09 PM Subject: Re: Tek must go Oh I'll give him a chance. No choice really. On Apr 22, 2011 7:09 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: > All I'm saying is give the guy a fair chance. He's no sure thing, but > he could be good. I don't consider 36 AB a fair chance. > > I told you Jeremy Giambi was going to be good once too, and what happened >there? > > Steve O > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> I actually think Beckett indicated Tek is his preferred catcher but I'm not >> sure. BUT you're talking about a much younger Beckett. People change and >> preferences change. >> >> Any way I am ready to LOVE Salty but he can't catch and he can't hit. Not >> yet anyway. >> >> On Apr 22, 2011 7:00 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Well, that put me in my place. >>> >>> Just saying that someone much smarter than me is saying that he can't >>> find any statistical evidence that all the savvy and pitch-framing in >>> the world amounts to anything. Is it hard to believe that someone with >>> the experience and athletic ability to get to the majors actually >>> possesses these basic skills? Like every first baseman can catch a >>> pickoff throw (Mo Vaughn excepted)? Every pitcher can cover first on a >>> bunt (David Wells excepted)? >>> >>> Josh Beckett was a master with Mike Redmond behind the plate; he >>> doesn't need a personal binky. That's an insult to him. >>> >>> Steve O >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Well gee I had no idea catching wasn't a skilled position. Let's put >>>> Lowrie >>>> behind there. >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2011 6:43 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Keith Woolner, who was administrator for the other Red Sox list for >>>>> years, wrote for BP and now works for the first-place Indians, did an >>>>> in-depth study on catcher defense, in BP and in a chapter ("Is Mike >>>>> Matheny a catching genius?") of the book "Baseball by the Numbers." >>>>> Interesting stuff, and the conclusion: >>>>> >>>>> "One of the most controversial results from the sabermetric community >>>>> is the lack of evidence supporting big differences in catcher >>>>> defensive ability, other than differences in controlling the running >>>>> games ... the further we look into the realm of catcher performance, >>>>> the fewer places the elusive realm of catcher influence has to hide. >>>>> There is no objective evidence that the catchers considered to be the >>>>> best at their craft actually improve pitcher efficiency, increase >>>>> strike rates, induce more misses and fouls, or do anything else to >>>>> reduce batters' offensive output." >>>>> >>>>> Steve O >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Steve Ouellette >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> That's not consistent. You're saying Tek is five runs better than the >>>>>> generic catcher defensively? Per game? >>>>>> >>>>>> Beckett's ERA with Paul Lo Duca, Mike Redmond and noted poor pitch >>>>>> caller Pudge Rodriguez: 3.46. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Those numbers are consistent with Beckett's Tek vs. Non-Tek numbers >>>>>>> over >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> past four years. To say catchers don't matter is silly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2011 5:14 PM, "Ray Salemi" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> This is a low sample size issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red >Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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