And I meant Becket with Dice-K. Gotta proof next time.

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:

> Catching correction - Ross, not Davis.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Angst? I see it as commentary.
>>
>> I'm not going to predict an outcome until the Sox are finished with their
>> off season moves. It'd be silly to say how they're going to finish.
>> Ellsbury could still be dealt. The Sox might use this flexibility to secure
>> some cheap young talent, at least that's the plan.
>>
>> My opinions on the deal thus far have been pretty clear.
>>
>> Happy with the Papi deal.
>>
>> Okay with Napoli (if it the deal closes, which it should.)
>>
>> Not really sure what to make about Vittorino. I hear conflicting reports
>> as to his health and diminishing skills. Put a gun to my head and I think
>> the Sox overpaid by a bit, but keeping an open mind.
>>
>> Dempster - I don't want to sound like a negative nanny but I think this
>> will be a disaster. National league pitchers haven't fared well here - I'm
>> thinking Smoltz at the end of his career, (and drawing a blank on the
>> pitcher that same year that bombed her but excelled in St. Louis), Joel
>> Pineiro, etc. I don't like they're paying $13 million for a warm body, but
>> people seemed satisfied with the deal because we've become so obsessed with
>> length of deals.
>>
>> But if we're to look at the Sox....
>>
>> Catcher - Offense might be a bit better with Davis Salty
>> First Base - I think Napoli is a downgrade from Gonzalez.
>> SEcond base - same
>> 3B - I hope Middlebrooks delivers. Not willing to say he's going to
>> perform better than Youk.
>> SS - Who knows.
>> LF - Crawford was a talent and certainly better than Jonny Gomes.
>> CF - Ellsbury should have a better year.
>> RF - Vittorino vs. Ross - I'll give V the upgrade.
>>
>> Rotation - Might be better with Lackey and Dempster than with Beckett and
>> Dempster. WOuld like to see another deal. Also hope Doubront doesn't suffer
>> from a sophomore slump.
>>
>> Bullpen - Apparently, the Sox offered Bailey to Toronto for Farrell and
>> we declined. Safe to say I'm concerned about the closer positon. Happy with
>> the middle reliever they signed. Hope Aceves can pull his head out of his
>> ass.
>>
>>
>> At this point, I'd say this team is slightly inferior to last team.
>> Toronto should be better. I still like the Rays even without Shields though
>> they're pitching is young. Not really sure what to make about the Yanks or
>> the O's, but the former seems to pull things together.
>>
>> That's the landscape as I see it.
>>
>> Bottom line, the fan focus on length of deal is humorous. The Sox have
>> the money and should use it to pay for actual talent rather than hoping to
>> win with scratch ticket talent.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> So this is simple angst?  You have no thoughts on how the Sox will do
>>> because of the move?
>>>
>>> My prediction is that they'll finish the season with a higher winning
>>> percentage than they had when they did the deal.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Where have I made a prediction?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You seem to be making some prediction about the Sox chances for success
>>>> since you don't agree with last year's plan of creating financial
>>>> flexibility.
>>>>
>>>> So what is that prediction?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can't really see one that I'd be comfortable with. I won't bet
>>>> against the Sox success.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I see a wager in the works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, it's gonna be a lively Christmas dinner discussion this year ....
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not interested in blockbuster players anymore.  I think it's too
>>>>>> many eggs in one basket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick Cafardo writes that the Sox should have chased Josh Hamilton.
>>>>>>> That, of course, means they did the right thing passing him up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/12/sox_should_have.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *To:* "[email protected]" <
>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:41 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Sox get Dempster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He meets present Sox criteria:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Warm body.
>>>>>>> 2. Short-term deal.
>>>>>>> 3. No draft-pick compensation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sold on the plan, but we can't say they don't have one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:20 PM
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Sox get Dempster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From EEI art
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One major league source suggested that the Sox should -- and likely
>>>>>>> do  -- have “modest expectations” for the veteran, describing him as the
>>>>>>> best option available on a relatively short-term deal that permits the 
>>>>>>> team
>>>>>>> to minimize risk, rather than a true impact starter who can transform a
>>>>>>> rotation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “He’ll carve up weaker lineups and will be a positive clubhouse
>>>>>>> guy,” said the source. “[But it's] hard to expect much against the 
>>>>>>> deeper
>>>>>>> lineups and I don’t think [the Sox] do.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds about right. I guess $13m doesn't get you what it once did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess he's making $2m less than Beckett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                        ERA    WHIP       SO/9
>>>>>>> Becket            4.65    1.327       7
>>>>>>> Demps           3.85    1.319        8.7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not crazy about the Dempster signing. Basically  career NL pitcher
>>>>>>> who was rocked last year in the AL (except when
>>>>>>> he pitched against us.............).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Angels be crazy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan D
>>>>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* Tom Salemi <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:28 PM
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Sox get Dempster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> two years at $26.5 million ($13m per again)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Hamilton goes to Angels for 5 years/$125m.
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