Thanks Paul, what REH wanted the character's name to be is all that I was interested in also. I think that Novalyne saying how she remembered it is good enough for me too. Jesse
--- Paul Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Howse about a little civility in here gents? I don't > see no reason for > someone to call himself a Texan, then try to impress > everyone with what > a rude dude he can be. Let JD pull that style. > And come on guys, how REH pronounced "Conan", > whether with a > long or short "o", whether accent on first syllable > or not, is an > interesting thing to most of us, just cause we'd > like to know how REH > thought of it. As Novalyne said how it was, that is > good enough for me. > If it isn't for someone else, want to call her a > liar or confused or > whatever to advance some agenda, OK, go ahead. > But REH tells us how it was pronounced in the > Hyborian Age, all > those millenniums ago, and that's all that matters > to me. What both of > y'all show is that it likely got pronounced > different ways in different > places at different times. REH's pronunciation is as > good as any other, > far as I'm concerned. > Paul Herman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harms/Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [rehfans] Howard and the International > Phonetic Alphabet > > hmmm, I am just taking what Dr. MacKillop has not > >theorized on, but stated... > > > > he stated his speculative theory- he has presented > no evidence > whatsoever > as to where and when the name conor came into being, > nor is this the > least > bit relevant to the topic at hand- the name conan, > which is the name > under > discussion. no one has disputed the antiquity of the > name conan. i > simply > stated for comparison that the correct > pronounciation of conan is close > to > the proounciation of conor- and i am correct in my > assertion. > > JB > > > > ( he being a former > >professor of English at Syracuse U., aforementioned > >pres. of the American Conference for Irish Studies, > >and not to mention the Visiting Fellow in Celtic > >Languages at Harvard and a 3 time published author > for > >Oxford Press) I figured that he probably knows. > jesse > > > > he speculates- that is not the same as knowing, and > far from first-hand > knowledge. i might add as a caveat that there are > many gaelic words > which > have entered the english language which are not > given proper credit in > the > word origin portions of webster's dictionaries- > which are considered > authoritative. so authority is not the final word in > any argument- > tradition and precedent precede and supercede > authority. > > in a court cases, authorities form each side offer > their _opinions_, but > legal precedent overules them utterly. JB > > > > > > >> so anglicization is irrelevant to my previous > >> presentation- JB > > > > > > but the point that MacKillop illustrates > concerning > >the variance of pronounciation is very relevent, > which > >was the main idea behind the quotation jesse > > > > I have already pointed out that the CURRENT STATE OF > variance in > pronounciation cannot be traced back in time to the > point of origin of > the > name conan- nor have you demonstrated that the name > conan is pronounced > differently in different locales of ireland- and > even if you could you > cannot demonstrate that these variations existed in > old irish- which is > the > origin of the name. > > so variations of pronounciation in MODERN GAELIC are > irrelvant- exactly > as > I stated. my statement still stands, and Mackillop > is still irrelevant. > JB > > > > > > > >> every county of ireland has it's own dialect, BUT > we > >> cannot pretend... JB > > > > > > >... exactly, this is why I included the quotation > from > >Dr. MacKillop! I will re-quote: " ...Irish > >pronounciation in particular is not standardized." > >pretty final I would say. jesse > > > see above- modern gaelic is irrelevant to an old > irish name- conan- > which > is the basis for REH's character. > > and even if every person in ireland pronounced the > name conan > differently- > this is totally and completely irrelevant to the old > irish name- and > conan > was a character who suppsosedly lived in antiquity- > not modern ireland- > THE > THE ANTIQUE PRONOUNCIATION IS all that is relevant. > so you're rubber > duck > is shot out of the water- modern gaelic is > irrelevant- AND THERE WAS NO > ANGLICIZATION IN OLD IRISH IN THE TIME AND PLACE > WHEN THE NAME WAS > ORIGINATED. JB > > > >> as to your government translations- well and > good, > >> but completely and > >> totally irrelevant unless your specialty is old > >> irish, and something tells > >> me it's not. JB > > > > > > Irrelevant to old Irish, jesse > > > no, irrelevant to this discusskion. your language > vocation is irrelevant > to > this disscussion, unless you can speak with > authority on old irish- you > admitted you cannot- so irrelevant is an accurate > description of the > state > of things now. > > this thread- which you begun when you requested the > correct > pronounciation > of the name conan- > > it is pronounced as in the english word 'con'- not > the word 'cone'- > > accent on the first syllable- CoN-an > === message truncated === ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
