Maybe this is again an edge case of an insanely difficult optimisation
surface caused by underestimated errors.  I would recommend creating a
bug report for this.  And if you could create a mini randomised data
set which triggers this error (that could be added to the test suite
as well), that would really help with the debugging the minfx code at
the moment.

Cheers,

Edward


On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Tyler Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Seb.
>
> It looks like my 'prolate' iterations in the 2nd round are maxing out and
> this
> is causing an error output (even though the first round seemed okay):
>
>
> k: 311     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000957e+02])
>   fk: 2254.7254621187344
> Entering sub-algorithm.
>
>       Newton minimisation
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       Line search:  Backtracking line search.
>       Hessian modification:  The Gill, Murray, and Wright modified Cholesky
> algorithm.
>
>       k: 0       xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000957e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254621187344
>       k: 100     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000958e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254579164155
>       k: 200     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000958e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254537140993
>       k: 300     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000959e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254495117813
>       k: 400     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000959e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254453094624
>
>       Parameter values: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000960e+02])
>       Function value:   2254.7254411071449
>       Iterations:       500
>       Function calls:   1001
>       Gradient calls:   501
>       Hessian calls:    500
>       Warning:          Maximum number of iterations reached
>
>
> k: 312     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000960e+02])
>   fk: 2254.7254411071449
> Entering sub-algorithm.
>
>       Newton minimisation
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       Line search:  Backtracking line search.
>       Hessian modification:  The Gill, Murray, and Wright modified Cholesky
> algorithm.
>
>       k: 0       xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000960e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254411071449
>       k: 100     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000961e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254369048283
>       k: 200     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000961e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254327025107
>       k: 300     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000962e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254285001914
>       k: 400     xk: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000963e+02])
>         fk: 2254.7254242978743
>
>       Parameter values: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000963e+02])
>       Function value:   2254.7254200955554
>       Iterations:       500
>       Function calls:   1001
>       Gradient calls:   501
>       Hessian calls:    500
>       Warning:          Maximum number of iterations reached
>
>
> Parameter values: array([  2.60992216e-11,   5.00000963e+02])
> Function value:   2254.7254200955554
> Iterations:       156500
> Function calls:   313313
> Gradient calls:   156813
> Hessian calls:    156500
> Warning:          Mu too small.
>
>
>
> Fitting to spin ':258&:[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> Method of Multipliers
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> k: 0       xk: array([ 0.,  0.])
>   fk: 3163.7013439706825
> Entering sub-algorithm.
>
>       Newton minimisation
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       Line search:  Backtracking line search.
>       Hessian modification:  The Gill, Murray, and Wright modified Cholesky
> algorithm.
>
>       k: 0       xk: array([ 0.,  0.])
>         fk: 3163.7013439706825
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/relax", line 414, in <module>
>   Relax()
>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/relax", line 131, in __init__
>   self.interpreter.run(self.script_file)
>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py", line 270,
> in
> run
>   return run_script(intro=self.__intro_string, local=self.local,
> script_file=script_file, quit=self.__quit_flag,
> show_script=self.__show_script,
> raise_relax_error=self.__raise_relax_error)
>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py", line 531,
> in
> run_script
>   return console.interact(intro, local, script_file, quit,
> show_script=show_script, raise_relax_error=raise_relax_error)
>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py", line 427,
> in
> interact_script
>   execfile(script_file, local)
>  File "full_analysis.py", line 673, in <module>
>   Main(self.relax)
>  File "full_analysis.py", line 300, in __init__
>   self.multi_model()
>  File "full_analysis.py", line 665, in multi_model
>   minimise(MIN_ALGOR)
>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/minimisation.py", line
> 362,
> in minimise
> minimise.minimise(min_algor=min_algor, min_options=min_options,
> func_tol=func_tol, grad_tol=grad_tol, max_iterations=max_iterations,
> constraints=constraints, scaling=scaling, verbosity=verbosity)
>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/generic_fns/minimise.py", line
> 239,
> in minimise
>   minimise(min_algor=min_algor, min_options=min_options, func_tol=func_tol,
> grad_tol=grad_tol, max_iterations=max_iterations, constraints=constraints,
> scaling=scaling, verbosity=verbosity)
>  File
> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/specific_fns/model_free/mf_minimise.py",
> line 987, in minimise
>   results = generic_minimise(func=self.mf.func, dfunc=self.mf.dfunc,
> d2func=self.mf.d2func, args=(), x0=param_vector, min_algor=min_algor,
> min_options=min_options, func_tol=func_tol, grad_tol=grad_tol,
> maxiter=max_iterations, A=A, b=b, full_output=
> ag=verbosity)
>  File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/generic.py",
> line 412, in generic_minimise
>   results = method_of_multipliers(func=func, dfunc=dfunc, d2func=d2func,
> args=args, x0=x0, min_options=min_options, A=A, b=b, l=l, u=u, c=c, dc=dc,
> d2c=d2c, func_tol=func_tol, grad_tol=grad_tol, maxiter=maxiter,
> full_output=full_output, print_flag=
>  File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/method_of_multipliers.py",
> line 143, in method_of_multipliers
>   results = min.minimise()
>  File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/method_of_multipliers.py",
> line 403, in minimise
>   results = self.generic_minimise(func=self.func_LA, dfunc=self.func_dLA,
> d2func=self.func_d2LA, args=self.args, x0=self.xk, min_algor=self.min_algor,
> min_options=self.min_options, func_tol=None, grad_tol=self.tk,
> maxiter=maxiter,
> full_output=1, pr
> b_print_flag, print_prefix="\t")
>  File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/generic.py",
> line 343, in generic_minimise
>   results = newton(func=func, dfunc=dfunc, d2func=d2func, args=args, x0=x0,
> min_options=min_options, func_tol=func_tol, grad_tol=grad_tol,
> maxiter=maxiter,
> full_output=full_output, print_flag=print_flag, print_prefix=print_prefix)
>  File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/newton.py",
> line 44, in newton
>   results = min.minimise()
>  File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/base_classes.py",
> line 233, in minimise
>   self.new_param_func()
>  File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/newton.py",
> line 166, in new_param_func
>   self.line_search()
>  File
> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/base_classes.py",
> line 339, in backline
>   self.alpha, fc = backtrack(self.func, self.args, self.xk, self.fk,
> self.dfk,
> self.pk, a_init=self.a0)
> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Edward d'Auvergne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> :S  It overwrites a pre-existing file!  And the important script of
>> all things!!!  That'll have to be fixed.  Seb, could you submit a bug
>> report for that?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Edward
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Sébastien Morin
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh... Sorry... It's still early in the morning here (Quebec City)...
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Dont' forget to specify a log file...
>>>
>>> LOG   ->   relax -l LOG script.py
>>>
>>> TEE   ->   relax -t LOG script.py
>>>
>>> If you just specify the script, the script will be erased by the log...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Séb
>>>
>>>
>>> Sébastien Morin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>
>>>> If you want all output from relax to go to a log file, use the option
>>>> '-l'... (relax -l script.py)
>>>>
>>>> If you want all output from relax to go to a file AND the terminal
>>>> (display), use the option '-t'... (relax -t script.py)
>>>>
>>>> These options are visible when typing : ./relax --help  (or relax -h)
>>>>
>>>> Good luck !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Séb  :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tyler Reddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay, I submitted the report. Let me know if there's more information
>>>>> you need
>>>>> or a better way to submit bug reports in general.. haven't done this
>>>>> before.
>>>>> Also, I had to manually copy/paste the output, and while it looks fine,
>>>>> if
>>>>> there is a problem with the same pdb structure getting read twice or
>>>>> something
>>>>> that's probably just my pasting error from the unix terminal to the
>>>>> browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> On that note, how can I fix this command:
>>>>>
>>>>> relax full_analysis.py > STDOUT.txt 2> STDERR.txt
>>>>> tcsh: Ambiguous output redirect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or better yet, can I merge all the output streams to a single text file
>>>>> and
>>>>> display the output in the terminal at the same time as well (maybe I'm
>>>>> getting
>>>>> too ambitious there..)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I do get the same output for 'ellipsoid' as well, as Seb asked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Edward d'Auvergne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This issue looks like a problem with the loaded PDB structure.  The
>>>>>> 'local_tm' and 'sphere' optimisations do not utilise structural
>>>>>> information, but the 'oblate' and 'prolate' spheroids, and the
>>>>>> 'ellipsoid' all require this info.  Normally relax will catch this
>>>>>> problem and deselect the spins without XH bond vectors, but this seems
>>>>>> to be broken in the 1.3 versions hence you get the original cryptic
>>>>>> Python error.  As this is a real bug with the relax source code (and
>>>>>> not a yet-to-be converted feature or a sample script), would you be
>>>>>> able to submit a bug report for this issue?  The relax bug tracker is
>>>>>> located at https://gna.org/bugs/?group=relax and the link at
>>>>>> https://gna.org/bugs/?func=additem&group=relax allows you to create a
>>>>>> report.  That would be much appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bug report will be useful for having this error caught by the
>>>>>> relax test suite - if I can replicate the bug there then I can play
>>>>>> with the bug and fix it.  Note the the actual problem occurred earlier
>>>>>> starting with the loading of the PDB file at the structure.read_pdb()
>>>>>> user function.  So if you could include all print out from that user
>>>>>> function to the end of the traceback error message, that would be very
>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:17 AM, Tyler Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Seb,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just tested 'oblate' and it produces the same error output.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting Sébastien Morin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tyler,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you get the same error when trying the 'oblate' or 'ellipsoid'
>>>>>>>> diffusion tensors ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sébastien
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tyler Reddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm having an issue with the full_analysis.py script. It seems to
>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>> fine when
>>>>>>>>> DIFF_MODEL = 'local_tm' or 'sphere' (converges on 4th round) but
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> 'prolate'
>>>>>>>>> I get the following output:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Grid search
>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Searching the grid.
>>>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/relax", line 408, in
>>>>>>>>> <module>
>>>>>>>>>    Relax()
>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/relax", line 125, in
>>>>>>>>> __init__
>>>>>>>>>    self.interpreter.run(self.script_file)
>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>> line 270, in
>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>    return run_script(intro=self.__intro_string, local=self.local,
>>>>>>>>> script_file=script_file, quit=self.__quit_flag,
>>>>>>>>> show_script=self.__show_script,
>>>>>>>>> raise_relax_error=self.__raise_relax_er
>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>> line 531, in
>>>>>>>>> run_script
>>>>>>>>>    return console.interact(intro, local, script_file, quit,
>>>>>>>>> show_script=show_script, raise_relax_error=raise_relax_error)
>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>> line 427, in
>>>>>>>>> interact_script
>>>>>>>>>    execfile(script_file, local)
>>>>>>>>>  File "full_analysis.py", line 673, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>    Main(self.relax)
>>>>>>>>>  File "full_analysis.py", line 284, in __init__
>>>>>>>>>    grid_search(inc=inc)
>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/minimisation.py",
>>>>>>>>> line 152,
>>>>>>>>> in grid_search
>>>>>>>>>    minimise.grid_search(lower=lower, upper=upper, inc=inc,
>>>>>>>>> constraints=constraints, verbosity=verbosity)
>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/generic_fns/minimise.py", line
>>>>>>>>> 185,
>>>>>>>>> in grid_search
>>>>>>>>>    grid_search(lower=lower, upper=upper, inc=inc,
>>>>>>>>> constraints=constraints,
>>>>>>>>> verbosity=verbosity)
>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/specific_fns/model_free/mf_minimise.py",
>>>>>>>>> line 479, in grid_search
>>>>>>>>>    self.minimise(min_algor='grid', lower=lower, upper=upper,
>>>>>>>>> inc=inc,
>>>>>>>>> constraints=constraints, verbosity=verbosity, sim_index=sim_index)
>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/specific_fns/model_free/mf_minimise.py",
>>>>>>>>> line 987, in minimise
>>>>>>>>>    results = generic_minimise(func=self.mf.func,
>>>>>>>>> dfunc=self.mf.dfunc,
>>>>>>>>> d2func=self.mf.d2func, args=(), x0=param_vector,
>>>>>>>>> min_algor=min_algor,
>>>>>>>>> min_options=min_options, func_tol=func_tol, g
>>>>>>>>> l, maxiter=max_iterations, A=A, b=b, full_output=1,
>>>>>>>>> print_flag=verbosity)
>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/generic.py",
>>>>>>>>> line 319, in generic_minimise
>>>>>>>>>    xk, fk, k = grid(func=func, args=args, grid_ops=min_options,
>>>>>>>>> A=A, b=b, l=l,
>>>>>>>>> u=u, c=c, print_flag=print_flag)
>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/minfx/grid.py",
>>>>>>>>> line 129, in grid
>>>>>>>>>    f = func(*(params,)+args)
>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/maths_fns/mf.py", line
>>>>>>>>> 506, in
>>>>>>>>> func_diff
>>>>>>>>>    self.diff_data.calc_di(data, self.diff_data)
>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/maths_fns/direction_cosine.py",
>>>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>>>> 64, in calc_spheroid_di
>>>>>>>>>    data.dz = dot(data.xh_unit_vector, diff_data.dpar)
>>>>>>>>> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for *: 'NoneType' and
>>>>>>>>> 'float'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quoting Edward d'Auvergne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the bug you mention, I've fixed this and the changes are in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> repository.  There were a few other issues to do with subsequent
>>>>>>>>>> LaTeX
>>>>>>>>>> compilation and these have been fixed too.  You can see the new
>>>>>>>>>> sample
>>>>>>>>>> script at:  http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/relax/1.3/sample_scripts/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Tyler Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) I changed that line and I'm still having a bit of trouble (see
>>>>>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>>>>>> below).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The errors that I'm using are described as 'the standard
>>>>>>>>>>> error for each
>>>>>>>>>>> parameter... [which] is an easy calculation from the covariance
>>>>>>>>>>> matrix.'
>>>>>>>>>>> Paraphrasing from the author there--I'm guessing this isn't the
>>>>>>>>>>> optimal
>>>>>>>>>>> input?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) I'm not sure it's explicitly stated in the manual, but I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> proceeding on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> assumption that you run the multi-model script first and then
>>>>>>>>>>> modsel to
>>>>>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>>>>>> on the right model for each given residue. A few weeks ago I was
>>>>>>>>>>> experimenting
>>>>>>>>>>> with this and if I didn't leave the global correlation time as
>>>>>>>>>>> fixed the
>>>>>>>>>>> computation seemed to take a VERY long time (unclear if it was
>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to
>>>>>>>>>>> finish).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, as a side note, since my peptide is actually in a micelle,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>> sure if
>>>>>>>>>>> there's anything extra I can do for diffusion tensor and
>>>>>>>>>>> correlation time
>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I know some programs (i.e. the Mathematica notebooks by
>>>>>>>>>>> Dr.
>>>>>>>>>>> Spyracopoulos) read in PDB files for diffusion tensor
>>>>>>>>>>> calculations, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> suspect it's a bit of a mess when the system is more complicated
>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>> structure in the PDB file would suggest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Output:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Latex()
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> relax> pipe.create(pipe_name='results', pipe_type='mf')
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> relax> results.read(file='results', dir=None)
>>>>>>>>>>> Opening the file 'results' for reading.
>>>>>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/relax", line 408, in
>>>>>>>>>>> <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Relax()
>>>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/relax", line 125, in
>>>>>>>>>>> __init__
>>>>>>>>>>>  self.interpreter.run(self.script_file)
>>>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>>>> line 270,
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>  return run_script(intro=self.__intro_string, local=self.local,
>>>>>>>>>>> script_file=script_file, quit=self.__quit_flag,
>>>>>>>>>>> show_script=self.__show_script,
>>>>>>>>>>> raise_relax_error=self.__raise_relax_error)
>>>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>>>> line 531,
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> run_script
>>>>>>>>>>>  return console.interact(intro, local, script_file, quit,
>>>>>>>>>>> show_script=show_script, raise_relax_error=raise_relax_error)
>>>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>>>> line 427,
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> interact_script
>>>>>>>>>>>  execfile(script_file, local)
>>>>>>>>>>>  File "latex_mf_table.py", line 220, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Latex()
>>>>>>>>>>>  File "latex_mf_table.py", line 68, in __init__
>>>>>>>>>>>  self.table_body()
>>>>>>>>>>>  File "latex_mf_table.py", line 186, in table_body
>>>>>>>>>>>  self.file.write("%9.3f & %9.3f & " % (spin.s2, spin.s2_err))
>>>>>>>>>>> AttributeError: 'SpinContainer' object has no attribute 's2_err'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting Edward d'Auvergne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a new system test, I found one more bug in the script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  This has
>>>>>>>>>>>> been fixed in the 1.3 repository line.  If you haven't used
>>>>>>>>>>>> subversion
>>>>>>>>>>>> to check out (and update) the 1.3 line, then you can see the
>>>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>>>> required in my commit at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-commits/2008-10/msg00402.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just change the line starting with '-' to the line starting with
>>>>>>>>>>>> '+'.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, it may take a few minutes for the link to be generated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Edward d'Auvergne
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a bug in the sample script.  Try adding a ':' character
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> end of line 171 in your script.  I've fixed this in the 1.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> repository
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line and will try to add a system test to the program to try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any bugs before you do ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Tyler Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been trying to use the latex python script on the aic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the syntax error below. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a small problem with that line of code:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Latex()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/relax", line 408,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <module>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Relax()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  File "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/relax", line 125,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __init__
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  self.interpreter.run(self.script_file)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 270, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  return run_script(intro=self.__intro_string,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local=self.local,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> script_file=script_file, quit=self.__quit_flag,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show_script=self.__show_script,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raise_relax_error=self.__raise_relax_error)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 531, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run_script
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  return console.interact(intro, local, script_file, quit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show_script=show_script, raise_relax_error=raise_relax_error)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  File
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "/Applications/relax-1.3.1/relax-1.3/prompt/interpreter.py",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line 427, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interact_script
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  execfile(script_file, local)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  File "latex_mf_table.py", line 171
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  for spin, spin_id in spin_loop(return_id=True)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting Edward d'Auvergne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been using the multi model and model selection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relax 1.3.2 but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have trouble displaying the output in a tabulated format.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts seem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to produce an xml document with various headers that isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like format='columnar' isn't supported. I wonder what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to look at this data? For some reason, I don't recall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a Linux machine a few weeks ago (using a Mac OS 10.4 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment), but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyways it would be nice to get readable model-free output.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The results file is now in XML format and the more readable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'columnar'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format has been removed from the 1.3 line.  With the change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XML results file all the contents of a data pipe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrespective of what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that data is, is packaged.  So you can put data into this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pipe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself and it will save that information (for advanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex python objects will need the to_xml() and from_xml()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> methods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to package and unpackage the data).  The reason for removing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'columnar' format was that it was considered too inflexible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes occuring in the 1.3 line, it contained duplicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had numerical precision issues, and there were alternatives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view this data.  You can use the value.display() and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value.write()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user functions to display and save the results for a single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parameter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If needed, these user functions could be extended to accept
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a list of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parameters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then there is the sample_scripts/latex_mf_table.py sample
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> script which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will generate a LaTeX table of the model-free results.  This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be copied and modified - this requires learning a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> python - to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format and display the results any way you wish.  And finally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone really wants to, and has the skills to, they can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modify this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sample script to recreate a version of the 'columnar' format.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be added to the relax sample scripts, and if their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very advanced, then much code from the 1.2 relax versions can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recycled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The error input for the relaxation rate parameters is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-linear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curve fitting standard deviation. I'm not sure if that means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analysis will be completely incorrect? I guess it depends on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparison of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitude between these errors and the type of error that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propagated by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relax during its own curve-fitting (which I am unable to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm guessing this is the sum of squared error value (SSE)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit.  Or is it a regression coefficient or a chi-squared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value?  Did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fitting use a technique such as bootstrapping or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jackknife
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulations to estimate the parameter errors via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propagation?  Or did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it use the covariance matrix?  If it is the SSE, chi-squared,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regression coefficient then that value cannot be used.  This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildly wrong and cause massive failure in model selection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause big problems in optimisation, and if you are unlucky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spaces with long, curved valleys or flat curved spaces
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leading to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum (that's model-free models m5 to m8 in most cases and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncommon in model m4) then the minimum can be squeezed and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another completely different region in the space.  It will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause model failure issues, which although removed by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminate()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user function, might discount the best solution.  I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of this will have a measurable affect on the final
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tensor as well and, if so, this will cause the appearance of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artificial motions (my 2007 JBNMR paper at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/b702202f explains these problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in detail).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If one is not careful with the errors and they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly off,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then the result is that the results may not be real.  So I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the error if it comes from an established error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propagation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technique (i.e. from data to parameter error propagation).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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