But I agree that the term can be misused and applied to many who are not. Most Christians I know, like most Jews and Muslims are not fundamentalists. But some are. Including some who do not like the term, but whose views track with those who use the term to describe themselves.
Steve
On Friday, April 9, 2004, at 03:02 PM, Rick Duncan wrote:
I agree completely with Frank about use of words like "homophobe" to label people with whom we disagree.
I used the word "Christophobe" to illustrate that Prof. Newsom's own reasoning would lead one to conclude that he himself was guilty of being some kind of "phobe." I should have made clear that I intended this limited use of the term.
Another term that gets misused a lot both on this list and, more often, in the media is "Fundamentalist." When this word is used to label people, who do not themselves identify as "Fundamentalists," for the purpose of marginalizing their arguments, it is similarly "uncivil and disreputable."
Rick Duncan
--- Francis Beckwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlawOne could say, in response to Michael, that his beliefs prevent him from affirming the value of "homophobes." Of course, he thinks that judging homosexuality as immoral is a mistaken point of view, a disorder one may say. But I don't recall ever coming across the argument that establishes the unquestioned veracity of this conclusion.
It seems to me that to call someone a name in replacement of an actual argument is uncivil and disreputable. So, let me suggest that we refrain from using terms that carry no intellectual freight, such as "homophobe" or "Christophobe." Let's be a little less logophobic.
Frank
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