A request has been made for the case links.
1. Hammond report is
a.. Hammond v Department of Public Prosecutions [2004] EWHC 69 (Admin) (13
January 2004) and an article PQ Magazine News and Christian Comment PQ
Magazine Home ...
2. The Dutch case is Van Dijke, who was a Dutch MP from a small Christian
party who (I believe) quoted from the Bible. An internet search should
recover something, but this was of interest a few years ago in Europe as it
involved an MP.
However, one of the problems of the debate in Europe on 'hate crimes' is
that it is of a debased nature. Individuals who opposed assaults on 69 year
olds are categorised as 'homophobes'. right wing, fascists etc...
Paul
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A pattern is developing; there are now three major cases in Europe: one in
The Netherlands, 'Hammond' in the United Kingdom and 'Green' in Sweden.
The pattern is thus:-
1. This law is introduced as necessary to protect 'selected' groups from
phobic 'gangs' and there are effective legal safeguards.
2. All 3 cases in Europe have involved Christian preachers or
politicians; all individuals of good character and law abiding. Both Mr.
Hammond and Mr. Green were elderly citizens.
3. All three classified homosexuality as a 'sin', but were Biblical (if
crude), but with no incitement to violence or 'fighting words'.
4. All 3 faced the full force of the law (without mercy) with the usual
moralising. The States in question rarely take any measures against the
disgraceful anti-Semitic rhetoric and anti- homosexual rhetoric arising
from other religious communities. Anti-American racism appears to be
encouraged by the political elites.
5. It is simply an overt attempt to weaken Judeo Christian morality for a
new social order.
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"But beating the drum of hate leads to disasters....."
True.
But what does beating the drum of love, civility, tolerance, patience
and kindness do?
Hard to tell, as however much happens doesn't seem to get as much
attention.
Maybe an "equal time for love" legislation?
It's not that hate speech is per se bad. In fact, it helps unmask those
who hate. It's when hate speech crowds out other speech that the
disasters begin to fester.
Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. Better to hear all
sides than to drive the noise underground.
Jim Maule
Villanova University School of Law
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Hate speech should be able to be regulated. The problem is finding
the right standards and distinguishing between what is to be
permitted and what banned. We should be able to enforce some minimal
standards of public decency in our discourse.
But, I have such little confidence in people in power to exercise
judgment and restraint that I fear the treatment may well be worse
than the disease. When the President and Vice-President can call all
dissenters unpatriotic and cowards and seek to silence them by many
means fair and foul, and when we can torture and abuse prisoners,
then I fear that the value of hate speech regulation may well be
outweighed by its benefits.
But beating the drum of hate leads to disasters such as Nazi Germany,
Rwanda, and the Balkans and crimes against those on the margins
already and so having some legal means to limit it is appealing.
The decision in Sweden shows that there are limits to such laws, as
there ought to be.
Steve
On Nov 29, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Ed Brayton wrote:
Rick Duncan wrote:
This just in from ADF:
In a unanimous 5-0 decision, Sweden's Supreme Court today
acquitted a pastor of a "hate crime" for presenting the biblical
view of homosexual behavior in a sermon.
Well I certainly hope that we can all, regardless of our religious
views or opinions about homosexuality, cheer that decision. You
will find no stronger advocate of gay rights than yours truly, but
give me freedom above all else, including the freedom to disagree
with me. Indeed, one cannot coherently argue for gay rights
without also supporting the right to speak out against
homosexuality, whether that is in the US, in Sweden as in this
particular case, or in Canada with the Stephen Boissoin case
(another minister up on charges for writing an anti-gay letter to a
newspaper).
Ed Brayton
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