Rick:  You might well be right, but it's hard to tell without
some cases that test our sense of this, by coming out differently under
strict scrutiny than under per se invalidation.  It's hard to see a
compelling interest behind government holiday displays -- one can surely
argue that endorsement shouldn't be seen as implicating the
Establishment Clause, but it's harder to say that it does implicate it
but that it's just extraordinarily important to allow it.

        Eugene


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        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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        Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:45 PM
        To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
        Subject: RE: EC & Compelling Interest
        
        
        When the Ct strikes down a law under the EC, it usually declares
the law unconstitutional w/out any type of "scrutiny." Why doesn't the
Ct at least go through the motions of applying the compelling interest
test? Is the EC an absolute, categorical rule prohibiting laws that
establish religion?
         
        Take the Nativity display in Allegheny County--should the county
govt argue that it has a compelling interest in recognizing that many
persons are willing recipients of the county's speech recognizing that
some of its citizens are celebrating a religious holiday on Dec 25? Why
should the Pl, whose liberty is not in any way restricted by a passive
holiday display, have the right to censor a display that means a great
deal to others in the community who wish to view the display? Why not at
least analyze the compelling interest test in cases like these?
         
        I have always assumed that the EC here is a structural
limitation on the power of govt, one that denies govt the power to
"endorse" religion even if it has good reasons to put up the display.
         
        Am I wrong?
         
        Rick Duncan
        
        "Volokh, Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

                    Rick asks an excellent question; the doctrinal
answer seems to be that some behavior -- such as coercion of religious
practice -- is categorically unconstitutional, with no strict scrutiny
exception, but the Court often talks about rights as being absolute and
then turns around and sets up some strict scrutiny exception (even if it
concludes that exception is inapplicable).  Compare, e.g., Everson's
talk of no preference among religions with Larson v. Valente's strict
scrutiny for denominational discrimination (under the Establishment
Clause, in fact).
                 
                    The tough question is to come up with a concrete
example of where some compelling interest would indeed be in play.
Rick, what examples did you have in mind?
                 
                    Eugene
                 
                    


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                        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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                        Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:07 PM
                        To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
                        Subject: EC & Compelling Interest
                        
                        
                        A question for this august body of learned
friends:
                         
                        When a state violates the EC, is this absolutely
unconstitutional or may the state attempt to show a compelling interest
to justify an establishment? Does any SCt case clearly focus on this
issue? Are there good law review articles addrsssing it?
                         
                        Does it matter what kind of EC violation the
state has committed?
                         
                        Cheers, Rick Duncan
                        
                        


                        Rick Duncan 
                        Welpton Professor of Law 
                        University of Nebraska College of Law 
                        Lincoln, NE 68583-0902
                         

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and then start doubting His existence."  --J. Budziszewski (The Revenge
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that the perversion of the best is the worst." -- Id.
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        Welpton Professor of Law 
        University of Nebraska College of Law 
        Lincoln, NE 68583-0902
         

        "It's a funny thing about us human beings: not many of us doubt
God's existence and then start sinning. Most of us sin and then start
doubting His existence."  --J. Budziszewski (The Revenge of Conscience)
         
        "Once again the ancient maxim is vindicated, that the perversion
of the best is the worst." -- Id.

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