Perhaps a comparison to the interpretation of "minister of the gospel" in 
Internal Revenue Code section 107, which provides a gross income exclusion for 
the rental value of housing provided to ministers of the gospel (the "parsonage 
exclusion") is helpful. Perhaps it raises more questions. Perhaps it is or is 
not (or will turn out to be or not to be) coterminous with the definition for 
other purposes. It is relevant to Alan's question in the sense that a gross 
income exclusion (like a tax deduction or credit) is equivalent in many ways to 
funding.

>From my BNA Tax Management, Inc., Gross Income: Overview and Conceptual 
>Aspects, two paragraphs (without footnotes) addressing the scope of the 
>exclusion in terms of who qualifies:

"Although the language of §107 refers to ministers of the gospel, the exclusion 
applies to persons who are ordained, commissioned, or licensed to perform 
substantially all the religious functions within the practice of the 
denomination. Thus, the exclusion is available for rabbis and cantors of the 
Jewish faith, ordained deacons, ordained gospel ministers who administer 
sacraments, preach, and conduct worship services, and unordained but 
commissioned or licensed members of a religious denomination who perform 
substantially all of the religious functions within the practice of the 
denomination. But the exclusion is not available to unordained, uncommissioned 
and unlicensed persons who perform nonreligious services for a church.

        The §107 exclusion also applies to retired ministers of the gospel. 
Payments to surviving spouses, however, are not covered by the exclusion. Also 
not covered are payments to employees of religious organizations who are not 
ordained, commissioned, or licensed ministers and who do not perform any 
religious functions. No exclusion is available to a taxpayer whose duties as a 
religious functionary did not require performance by a person with ministerial 
authority and that were more organizational than religious in nature."

Jim Maule


-----Original Message-----
From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:01 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on 
religious grounds

Tom,

I have long since given up trying to predict how Supreme Court justices will 
decide future cases (or to assume that there will be logical consistency or 
even intellectual integrity in all opinions.) But Justice Roberts clearly and 
repeatedly emphasizes the title, status, and acknowledged role of minister or 
clergy as significant factors in reaching his decision in this case. Why are 
you so confident that all of this language in the opinion is superflous? I 
agree that Alito and Kagan's concurrence provides more support for including 
some lay teachers in the exception. But even they say "What matters is that 
respondent played an important role as an instrument of her church's religious 
message and as a leader of its worship activities."  The words "important role" 
and "a leader" arguably mean something different than "some role" and "a 
participant."

Finally, of course, there is the question of how the understanding of who 
qualifies for the ministerial exception relates to the question of what 
positions the government can fund in religious institutions. Can the government 
fund the salary of teachers who play an important role as an instrument of 
their church's religious message and as a leader in its worship activities? If 
the answer to that question is "Yes" and it is also true that such teachers are 
enough like clergy in their religious functions to be included in the 
ministerial exception, would it follow that government can also fund the salary 
of clergy? Is it constitutionally permissible for the government to refuse to 
fund teaching positions at a religious school which refuses to hire 
African-Americans, women, and the disabled as teachers?

Alan



________________________________________
From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] 
on behalf of Berg, Thomas C. [tcb...@stthomas.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:47 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: Supreme Court sides with church on decision to fire employee on    
religious grounds

Alan,

I agree that the majority leaves open the issue of lay teachers.  But since 
three justices take a broader approach to defining a minister, all you need for 
a majority in a later case is two more votes, and Roberts and Scalia seem 
reasonable prospects to me in a case that presents the issue.  Thomas would 
defer heavily to the religious organization's characterization of an employee 
as a minister.  And Alito and Kagan say that ordained or "commissioned" status 
isn't crucial, that the criterion is "positions of substantial religious 
importance"-including those "teaching and conveying the tenets of the faith to 
the next generation"--and that "the constitutional protection of religious 
teachers is not somehow diminished when they take on secular functions in 
addition to their religious ones.  What matters is that respondent played an 
important role as an instrument of her church's religious message and as a 
leader of its worship activities."  I can see many lay teachers in seriously 
religious schools satisfying such a test.  Kagan's agreement with that standard 
is quite significant, as is her joining the Alito concurrence overall.

Tom

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