But doesn't that beg Kevin's very good point (like Jim's) that anyone married in that County would have a special license. And, without legislation in Kentucky, would 1) these be valid in Kentucky and would the 2) be valid for full faith an credit or just old fashioned comity in other states? Would it raise issues of identity (which have now post-9-11 become federal issues) if someone has a marriage license that does not look like the official license for the state? Imagine suits over someone's estate (or over an insurance policy) with the claim being made that there was no valid marriage because the license does not conform to the state law?
I find it odd that a collection of law professors and mostly lawyers are working so hard to provide a method for a public official to ignore the U.S. Supreme Court, violate pretty clear state law, and refuse to do her job. Would anyone be making these RFRA arguments if the clerk refused to issue licenses for interracial marriages (say a graduate of Bob Jones University)? Or, if the clerk were a devout Catholic and refused to issue licenses to fellow Catholics who had previously had a civil divorce? Or perhaps an Orthodox Jew who would not give licenses for Jews marrying non-Jews. ****************** Paul Finkelman, Ph.D. Senior Fellow Penn Program on Democracy, Citizenship, and Constitutionalism University of Pennsylvania and Scholars Advisory Panel National Constitution Center Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 518-439-7296 (w) 518-605-0296 (c) paul.finkel...@yahoo.com www.paulfinkelman.com From: "Volokh, Eugene" <vol...@law.ucla.edu> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 1:12 AM Subject: RE: Question about the Kentucky County Clerk controversy #yiv1896002375 #yiv1896002375 -- _filtered #yiv1896002375 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1896002375 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv1896002375 #yiv1896002375 p.yiv1896002375MsoNormal, #yiv1896002375 li.yiv1896002375MsoNormal, #yiv1896002375 div.yiv1896002375MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv1896002375 a:link, #yiv1896002375 span.yiv1896002375MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1896002375 a:visited, #yiv1896002375 span.yiv1896002375MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1896002375 p.yiv1896002375MsoAcetate, #yiv1896002375 li.yiv1896002375MsoAcetate, #yiv1896002375 div.yiv1896002375MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv1896002375 span.yiv1896002375BalloonTextChar {}#yiv1896002375 span.yiv1896002375EmailStyle19 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv1896002375 .yiv1896002375MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv1896002375 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv1896002375 div.yiv1896002375WordSection1 {}#yiv1896002375 I appreciate Jim’s “separate-but-equal feel” point; but as I understand it, the County Clerk would want her name removed fromall marriage licenses and certificates, not just same-sex ones. The reason for that, to be sure, will be known to be her opposition to same-sex marriage. But the certificates would be the same for all married couples in Rowan County, under the accommodation she is suggesting. Eugene Jim Oleske writes: I'm not sure the distinction would affect the analysis of the hypothetical Kentucky RFRA claim you posit. I think if we still had a federal constitutional exemption regime, the Court might utilize the distinction to disallow certain free exercise claims by government employees, analogizing to the speech context. And some state courts might do likewise with state constitutional free exercise claims. But to the extent Congress or state legislatures give government employees additional protections statutorily, whether through Title VII, RFRA, or other similar measures, the distinction might not be a barrier, especially given the examples you've found from the Title VII context. As for the reasonableness of providing the requested accommodation, telling one group of citizens that they don't get the certification that state law requires all other citizens of their county to receive has a separate-but-equal feel to me that I don't think is implicated in any of the Title VII cases cited below. - Jim _______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
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