John,

Ancillary functions are functions not needed to perform required control 
functions to meet FCC rules.  Being able to turn off the repeater are required 
to meet FCC rules.  Making a patch, setting the time, etc are not.

One must have control of a repeater or any Ham transmitter and it must be done 
on the proper control link, most of 2 meters and 222 MHz and above, by wire 
(phone line, etc) and in person.  

Until December, 2006, a proper control link could not be on 2 meters, but 
Ancillary functions could be done one reason was for autopatches.  This did not 
mean one could not turn on/off the repeater on 2 meters, just have to have 
proper link if needed.

In December the FCC added some of 2 meters for a primary control.  So the input 
of a 2 meter repeater can be used for the control link not requiring 222 Mhz 
and above.  Use to be the input or output of a repeater, no matter what band, 
could not be used for control, but this went away years ago.

73, ron, n9ee/r





>From: John Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 2007/11/07 Wed PM 02:57:14 CST
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question reference to Repeater control

>                  
>
>According to Part 97.205e, ancillaryfunctions (phone patch, etc) are not 
>considered remote control… which seems tolimit the meaning of remote control 
>to enabling or disabling the repeater as aunit.
> 
>From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 20072:41 PM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder]Part 97 question reference to Repeater control
> 
>Isn't any operator on the repeater in RF control ofthe 
>repeater when they are using it? Also isn't the DTMF tone 
>control through the normal repeater pair remote control?
>
>Vern
>
>On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:54:32 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
>George Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Nov 7, 2007 1:28 PM
>>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Part 97 question 
>>>reference to Repeater control
>>>
>>>But where does it require a control link (AUX station) to 
>>>control the
>>>repeater? (or landline ot local)
>>>
>>>Joe M.
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> 97.7 states that EVERY amateur station (remember, a 
>>repeater is an amateur station: see 97.3(a)(39)) must 
>>have a control operator:
>> 
>> §97.7 Control operator required.
>> 
>> When transmitting, each amateur station must have a 
>>control operator. The 
>> control operator must be a person: 
>> 
>> (a) For whom an amateur operator/primary station license 
>>grant appears on the 
>> ULS consolidated licensee database, or 
>> 
>> (b) Who is authorized for alien reciprocal operation by 
>>§97.107 of this part 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And Station control is defined in 97.109:
>> 
>> §97.109 Station control. 
>> 
>> (a) Each amateur station must have at least one control 
>>point. 
>> (b) When a station is being locally controlled, the 
>>control operator must be at 
>> the control point. Any station may be locally 
>>controlled. 
>> (c) When a station is being remotely controlled, the 
>>control operator must be at 
>> the control point. Any station may be remotely 
>>controlled. 
>> (d) When a station is being automatically controlled, 
>>the control operator need 
>> not be at the control point. Only stations specifically 
>>designated elsewhere in 
>> this Part may be automatically controlled. Automatic 
>>control must cease upon 
>> notification by a District Director that the station is 
>>transmitting improperly 
>> or causing harmful interference to other stations. 
>>Automatic control must not be 
>> resumed without prior approval of the District Director. 
>> (e) No station may be automatically controlled while 
>>transmitting third party 
>> communications, except a station transmitting a RTTY or 
>>data emission. All 
>> messages that are retransmitted must originate at a 
>>station that is being 
>> locally or remotely controlled.
>> 
>> And 97.205(d) states that a repeater may be 
>>automatically controlled.
>> 
>> So, taking them all together, a repeater MUST have a 
>>control operator, MAY be under automatic control, and at 
>>all times when NOT operating under automatic control, 
>>MUST be either locally (someone physically at the control 
>>point) or remotely (RF or wireline) controlled. If 
>>remotely controlled over RF, the control link is in 
>>auxiliary operation, and may only be carried out in the 
>>frequency segments specifically authorized in 97.201, 
>>which, as someone else already pointed out, were recently 
>>expanded to include certain sub-bands on 2 meters.
>> 
>> 
>> George, KA3HSW
>            


Ron Wright, N9EE
727-376-6575
MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
No tone, all are welcome.


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