Hi, Bob. Long time, no chat!

The Astron P/S only supplies the PA - all other items in the rack have their 
own power supplies, but I can still see where I may have exceeded the MICOR 
supply current limits.

Other than that, I've been told to check al the coax jumpers to ensure they are 
in good order... to eliminate any RF issues.

I do access to a 120A switcher that I may try and see what happens.

Mark - N9WYS

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Bob M.
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:54 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Astron P/S question

I've had DMMs also go nuts at my site too. Luckily the Astron supply hasn't had 
that problem yet.

The fuse usually blows when something catastrophic happens. One such thing is 
when the output voltage goes too high and the built-in SCR crowbar fires. It 
shorts the supply immediately, and the excess current usually causes the fuse 
to blow. Sometimes it also causes the diodes to short out, and they end up 
blowing the fuse. RF getting back into the supply can trip the SCR. Even RF 
riding on the supply lines can cause the voltage that the SCR sees to be high 
enough to trip it, even though it may not show up with a meter or even a scope. 
You've probably done all you can with the ferrites unless you missed the wires 
going to the SCR. On some supplies it's mounted to the chassis and has fairly 
long wires (just waiting to pick up RF) running to it.

You'd be better off with ANY kind of unregulated power supply, such as what you 
had with the MICOR supply. Ferro-resonant transformers usually aren't 
susceptible to such RF problems, and there's nothing electronic such as a 
crowbar inside to trip and blow the fuse. This doesn't explain why your MICOR 
supply blew its fuse, unless you exceeded the output current capability. Most 
MICORs were only rated up to 100 watts, and the supplies probably are good to 
25-30 amps MAX; it seems that your PA is already exceeding that. Then you tack 
on a receiver, exciter, etc, and you've gone past the limit for the MICOR 
supply. Even an MSF5000 supply would be strained to handle that much current; 
that's why the bigger stations have TWO supplies, one for each PA, and the VHF 
stations have 28V supplies in them.

Solutions? You might consider a battery and a charger that's strong enough to 
keep the PA happy, to run just the PA. Split everything else off and run that 
on another smaller supply. Consider a switching regulator supply, rather than a 
linear regulator supply, to run the rest of the equipment.

I know that some of the high power amps are now being built to run on 24-28VDC. 
This cuts the current consumption in half and they can be run with switching 
supplies.

Let's hope Skip comes aboard here. I know he's had experience with these units.

Bob M.
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