Github user srowen commented on a diff in the pull request:

    https://github.com/apache/spark/pull/12004#discussion_r113696235
  
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    +---
    +layout: global
    +displayTitle: Integration with Cloud Infrastructures
    +title: Integration with Cloud Infrastructures
    +description: Introduction to cloud storage support in Apache Spark 
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    +---
    +<!---
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    +  you may not use this file except in compliance with the License.
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    +
    +* This will become a table of contents (this text will be scraped).
    +{:toc}
    +
    +## <a name="introduction"></a>Introduction
    +
    +
    +All the public cloud infrastructures, Amazon AWS, Microsoft Azure, Google 
GCS and others offer
    +persistent data storage systems, "object stores". These are not quite the 
same as classic file
    +systems: in order to scale to hundreds of Petabytes, without any single 
points of failure
    +or size limits, object stores, "blobstores", have a simpler model of `name 
=> data`.
    +
    +Apache Spark can read or write data in object stores for data access.
    +through filesystem connectors implemented in Apache Hadoop or provided by 
third-parties.
    +These libraries make the object stores look *almost* like filesystems, 
with directories and
    +operations on files (rename) and directories (create, rename, delete) 
which mimic
    +those of a classic filesystem. Because of this, Spark and Spark-based 
applications
    +can work with object stores, generally treating them as as if they were 
slower-but-larger filesystems.
    +
    +With these connectors, Apache Spark supports object stores as the source
    +of data for analysis, including Spark Streaming and DataFrames.
    +
    +
    +## <a name="quick_start"></a>Quick Start
    +
    +Provided the relevant libraries are on the classpath, and Spark is 
configured with your credentials,
    +objects in an object store can be can be read or written through URLs 
which uses the name of the
    +object store client as the schema and the bucket/container as the hostname.
    +
    +
    +### Dependencies
    +
    +The Spark application neeeds the relevant Hadoop libraries, which can
    +be done by including the `spark-hadoop-cloud` module for the specific 
version of spark used.
    +
    +The Spark application should include <code>hadoop-openstack</code> 
dependency, which can
    +be done by including the `spark-hadoop-cloud` module for the specific 
version of spark used.
    +For example, for Maven support, add the following to the 
<code>pom.xml</code> file:
    +
    +{% highlight xml %}
    +<dependencyManagement>
    +  ...
    +  <dependency>
    +    <groupId>org.apache.spark</groupId>
    +    <artifactId>spark-hadoop-cloud_2.11</artifactId>
    +    <version>${spark.version}</version>
    +  </dependency>
    +  ...
    +</dependencyManagement>
    +{% endhighlight %}
    +
    +If using the Scala 2.10-compatible version of Spark, the artifact is of 
course `spark-hadoop-cloud_2.10`.
    +
    +### Basic Use
    +
    +You can refer to data in an object store just as you would data in a 
filesystem, by
    +using a URL to the data in methods like `SparkContext.textFile()` to read 
data, 
    +`saveAsTextFile()` to write it back.
    +
    +
    +Because object stores are viewed by Spark as filesystems, object stores can
    +be used as the source or destination of any spark work —be it batch, 
SQL, DataFrame,
    +Streaming or something else.
    +
    +The steps to do so are as follows
    +
    +1. Use the full URI to refer to a bucket, including the prefix for the 
client-side library
    +to use. Example: `s3a://landsat-pds/scene_list.gz`
    +1. Have the Spark context configured with the authentication details of 
the object store.
    +In a YARN cluster, this may also be done in the `core-site.xml` file.
    +
    +
    +## <a name="output"></a>Object Stores as a substitute for HDFS
    +
    +As the examples show, you can write data to object stores. However, that 
does not mean
    +That they can be used as replacements for a cluster-wide filesystem.
    +
    +The full details are covered in [Cloud Object Stores are Not Real 
Filesystems](#cloud_stores_are_not_filesystems).
    +
    +The brief summary is:
    +
    +| Object Store Connector      |  Replace HDFS? |
    +|-----------------------------|--------------------|
    +| `s3a://` `s3n://`  from the ASF   | No  |
    +| Amazon EMR `s3://`          | Yes |
    +| Microsoft Azure `wasb://`   | Yes |
    +| OpenStack `swift://`        | No  |
    +
    +It is possible to use any of the object stores as a destination of work, 
i.e. use
    +`saveAsTextFile()` or `save()` to save data there, but the commit process 
may be slow
    +and, unreliable in the presence of failures.
    +
    +It is faster and safer to use the cluster filesystem as the destination of 
Spark jobs,
    --- End diff --
    
    I sort of know what this is about, but is it really a problem to use say S3 
as the result of a job? it seems like that's a case that's relatively fine. 
It's using it for intermediate storage where the eventual consistency could be 
a problem.
    
    I guess, generally, the object stores are more prone to errors. I'm just 
wondering how actionable this is -- can we really say, here's how to do X but X 
doesn't really work, so work around it?
    
    Is it really any more reliable to distcp -- why would that be more reliable 
w.r.t. S3?


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