What is interesting about this debate is that those who talk in slogans always 
accuse others of doing so.  They also generally do so when trying to deny the 
existence of an uncomfortable fact.
I am merely quoting what the Arab inhabitants of the Palestine and then Israel 
and the occupied territories have said ever since the concept of Israel came 
into being.  I suppose the recent Hamas refusal to call off its terror campiagn 
in response to the Israeli indications that it wished to re-open dialogue with 
the PLO on the death of Arafat is also not a relevant issue here and if it is 
referred to will be ignored or described as either rhetoric or a "slogan".
If one chooses to ignore fact and reality one cannot expect to arrive at a real 
solution.

And, if it is indeed a slogan, it is the slogan (or theme of the slogan) of the 
hardliner parties and people) who want to see the Jews and Israel disappear.  
And, on analysis, it is another way of expressing such slogans as "death to 
Israel" - slogans which belong in the dark ages.  But the Arabs who use it do 
not regard it as a slogan - it is an actual aim.  If you have any difficulty 
with it take it up with those who spout it and practise it - not thoes who have 
the intellectual honesty to recognize that it exists.


Garth Cartledge

"Despotism sits nowhere so secure as under the effigy and ensigns of Freedom", 
From Imaginary Conversations of Greeks and Romans (1853) by Walter Savage 
Landor 1775-1864


>
> From: bangla vision <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 23/12/2004 2:56:28
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [RHETORIC] for GARTH
>
> Well,illegal occupation will fail to be legitimized just by false slogan that 
> is
> "the aim of driving the Jews into the sea "....
> End of Zionism is the necessary prerequisite for a lasting peace which cannot 
> be
> imposed anyway....
>
> M.B.H.S.
>

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