Eric, Jordi, I'm honestly not a fan, speaking of course purely for myself, of this proposal.
Job, Jim and others have already covered a lot of the reasons why not. Yes, I'm fortunate that my company is willing to pay the meeting registration fee, but for a five day event I still think it's amazing value. I think it would unquestionably change the nature of the event and the perception of the WG Chairs (and PC) if the fees were to be waived. It wouldn't be some terrible disaster, but it would bring about a change, both in external and internal perception. It would be a slow change, sure, but it would be there. I have no objection to the NCC Membership funding the staff and the Exec Board or the various programmes such as RACI or the RIPE fellows. These are all very clear cut for me. But all of us who volunteer as WG Chairs or PC Members are just that, volunteers. We put our hand up knowing the requirements. One might hope that an incentive such as is being proposed wouldn't encourage people to step forward because of it, but I don't believe that is true. I would prefer if WGs continued to select (not elect!) the Chairs knowing, insofar as possible, that they wished to serve the community rather than having any other motivations. Again, I speak for myself here, not for any other member of the Chairs Collective or the PC. I'm sure there are members of both groups who might agree (and that is up to them, of course). With my member hat on, if we're going to spend more money on RIPE Meetings (and I believe they are some of the most important things the NCC spends money on!), then I can think of better things to spend it on than this, such as increasing the RIPE Fellowship Programme. Thanks, Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 On 19/01/2018 15:34, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote: > Hi Ole, > > Just for info of the list, I've responded this morning in a private email > something related to this (copying here only partially my own response). > > "... I also know that not every RIR has WGs, but they have equivalent > structures (eg, Advisory Council for ARIN), and that sometimes the > conferences are tied to other organizations, etc. At the end, all that > doesn't really matter, because I'm not trying a one-to-one comparison, just > providing references of "very-close-species". > > APNIC and LACNIC do that, even pay for traveling expenses. > > In LACNIC, this is true even for speakers that may obtain a grant for the > traveling expenses, if they apply and it is justified. > > Somebody in the list could confirm for AfriNIC and ARIN, if we want to have > the 5 RIRs picture, I know people there, so I'm happy to ask them directly if > needed. > > Even if RIPE co-chairs could apply in a case-by-case basis for special waiver > or grants, it is obvious that if you have a specific personal situation, you > may not want/like to disclose it, and even worse, I think "special" rules are > always bad things, very subjective and I prefer rules that are always > objective and the same for same "groups" (like co-chairs or PC "group"), and > I don't think that can be understood as a "segregation", because that group > is elected by the community and everybody can make merits so he is considered > by the community for being part of that group if he wants to invest the > additional time/effort being part of that." > > > Regards, > Jordi > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: ripe-list <ripe-list-boun...@ripe.net> en nombre de Ole Jacobsen > <olejacob...@me.com> > Responder a: Ole Jacobsen <olejacob...@me.com> > Fecha: viernes, 19 de enero de 2018, 16:27 > Para: Lu Heng <h...@laruscloudservice.net> > CC: Sander Steffann <san...@steffann.nl>, RIPE List <ripe-list@ripe.net> > Asunto: Re: [ripe-list] Follow up on the Dubai AGM - RIPE WG Chair meeting > vouchers > > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, Lu Heng wrote: > > > Hi > > > > APNIC since few meetings cover all expense for the chair(hotel flight > etc), > > so free meeting ticket seems quite reasonable. > > > > CEO > > > > Larus Cloud Service Limited > > Tel: +852 2988-8918 <javascript:void(0);> > > E-mail: h...@laruscloudservice.net > > Address: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, Hong > Kong > > Website: https://www.laruscloudservice.net/ > > > > Lu, > > APNIC doesn't have WGs, they have SIGs, but I guess the SIGs are > "morale equivalents" in this context. > > Are you sure the SIG chairs at APNIC have all their expenses covered? > That's news to me. 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