I don't mind XOTcl at all, except it is IMO a monster to learn where Snit is 
much more Tcl'ish. I wouldn't care either way though. If someone did something 
in XOTcl I would learn it just to use Tcl in a web context.

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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damon
>Courtney
>Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:57 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: The state of Rivet?
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>    Believe me when I say that there is nothing I would love more than
>something to get excited about in the Tcl community.  I continue to use
>Tcl for most all of my projects because I love it so much.  I've gotten
>so used to the things that Tcl does so well that it's hard for me to use
>another language that lacks those features.  Of course, it's been a
>while since I did any web development, which is an area where Tcl has,
>unfortunately, fallen behind the rest of the world.
>
>    I really think XOTcl is the best OO framework though.  It would be
>really easy to write a SNIT wrapper on top of it but still provide the
>inheritance OO model the rest of the world is used to.  A really good
>web framework (with good AJAX integration) would do wonders for the Tcl
>community, I think.
>
>    Remember, hardly anyone (outside of Japan) used Ruby before Rails
>came along.  Even though Ruby had been around for a long time.  Rails
>gave it a new lease on life.  The web is where all the programming is
>these days.  We have a unique position to make something great in that
>arena, but it takes hands and minds.  Most of the ones on this project
>have given up and moved on.
>
>D
>
>
>Hicks, Robert wrote:
>> The problem with most of the current ones is they suck when running under
>CGI. Catalyst (Perl), Mason (Perl), RoR (Ruby) all have poor performance under
>CGI and that is where you are going to get most ISP hosting companies to help
>you. If they don't have to much about with Apache but just install
>Tcl+tcllib+whatever they are more likely to do so.
>>
>> So maybe coming from the bottom end (CGI and FCGI) would help. I have heard
>and read that FCGI is getting more of the Apache teams attention these days.
>You could marry Tcl+Snit+ORM into a framework and that would be pretty nice.
>RoR is OO and that is where you are getting people. At least with Snit you can
>give them a delegation model (which should work pretty well in a web
>environment).
>>
>> It has to be easy to install, easy to come up to speed on, and at least
>excite the current Tcl community into helping in various ways.
>>
>> Robert
>>
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