On 07/18/2013 04:39 PM, Harald Oehlmann wrote:
> Thank you, Massimo, for the good E-Mail.
> 
> The slave interpreter issue was not on my radar and should probably
> be attacked too - bug id, demo script ?

is it a bug or a feature? I thought it was the latter, at least in the
original designer intentions

> 
> I wondered why TCL is not shut down properly with Tcl_Finalise.
> 

me too


> Well, there is written, that there is interaction with WebSH.
> 
> What practically happens up to now if Tcl_Finalize is called in the 
> slave interpreter is, that the Notifier Thread of the master
> interpreter is stopped due to the still open pipe link.
> 
> This might be the reason, why there is any interaction with Websh
> (and of cause also Rivet, as all Rivet slaves have this connection.
> 
> IMHO, fileevents must work, otherwise Rivet is not functional.
> 
> To reach this, I only see:
> 
> 1) create interpreters only in worker threads and not in the master 
> thread on an unpatched TCL

this would break the way RivetServerInit works.

> 
> 2) in a patched or newer version of TCL, the current way may be
> used. Then, Tcl_InitNotifier and Tcl_FinalizeNotifier calls should
> be inserted in child initialization and deletion.
> 

I got fileevent working again by inserting Tcl_FinalizeNotifier in
Rivet_InitHandler and Tcl_InitNotifier in Rivet_InitTclStuff (at the
cost of breaking the inheritance of an interpreter from the parent to
the child process)

> I only see doing this: - by auto-detection of the tcl version
> (>=8.6.1, >=8.5.15) - by a parameter - or a combination, to say, do
> autodetection, and for older TCL's, use 2 only after a parameter like
> "--broken-master-interpreter".
> 

I haven't see any reactions to your message to TCLCORE, we maybe should
reiterate it or put the question in a simplified form. I was thinking of
something that could be a basis for a TIP, something that sounds like
"Improved Tcl subsystems control on Unix systems"

> The call to "Tcl_InitNotifier" does not harm currently and may be 
> immediately included.
> 
> I am sorry, this sounds hard, but I see no alternative...
> 
> My admiration to all active people, enjoy the beautiful summer, we
> will bike to the wine yards this evening and on friday, dance tango 
> outside as, a friend told, his italien friends do... Harald
> 

I wish I had the same bucolic view of Italy :-)


-- 
-- Massimo Manghi

Dipartimento di Neuroscienze
Unità di Biofisica e Fisica Sanitaria
via Volturno 39
43125 Parma

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