Mi se pare o aiureala!
N-am spus ca D.I. ar fi fost pedepsit "nelegal" - am spus doar ca legea austriaca, in ACEASTA privinta (ca in altele nu stiu) mi se pare o stupiditate (si mi se pare ca legea functioneaza si la noi, pentru ca asha ne-am gasit noi, mai fraieri! si pentru ca e mai greu sa bagi in inchisoare o increzuta care a produs mai multe accidente de circulatie - din care in ultimul au murit 3 oameni - decat sa bagi in inchisoare pe cineva care isi exprima opinia)!
Apar anual mii de carti care neaga existenta lui Dumnezeu! Apar, la fel, zeci de mii de carti care neaga existanta iubirii! Genul asta de carti mi se pare MULT mai nociv!
In schimb, pentru ele, nu exista NICI un fel de lege care sa le interzica!
Nici nu VREAU sa existe o astfel de lege!
Daca te uiti cate crime samd. se petrec in tzara asta, se vede cat se poate de clar ca NU faptul ca se neaga sau nu Holocaustul e o problema!
Mie personal o lege care sa interzica negarea Holocaustului mi se pare de o totala prostie si un abuz absolut!
Nu "neg" Holocaustul! dar mi se pare complet cretin sa-mi interzica cineva sa-l neg!
Howgh!
Codruta
On 3/23/06, g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 23.03.2006, at 00:10, ARIN wrote:
> Repet: a "nega" ceva NU inseamna "apologia" a altceva!
> [...]
> Insa in privinta lui DI ne contrazicem degeaba! Pana la urma, exact,
> CE a
> facut tipul acela? a indemnat pe cineva la ura de rasa sau ceva de
> genul
> asta? sau doar a spus ca el "nu crede" ceva?
"Austria has Europe's toughest law criminalising denial of the
Holocaust. Irving went on trial for two speeches he delivered in the
country almost 17 years ago. He was arrested in November last year
after returning to Austria to deliver more speeches despite an arrest
warrant against him and being barred from the country."
"In the two 1989 speeches he termed the Auschwitz gas chambers a
"fairytale" and insisted Adolf Hitler had protected the Jews of Europe.
He referred to surviving death camp witnesses as "psychiatric cases",
and asserted that there were no extermination camps in the Third
Reich."
[...] "Last night Irving's partner Bente Hogh said he had brought his
imprisonment on himself by going to Austria despite the ban. She said:
"He was not jailed just for his views but because he's banned from
Austria and still went. David doesn't take advice from anyone. He
thought it was a bit of fun, to provoke a little bit.""
[...] "Judge Peter Liebtreu called Irving "a racist, an anti-Semite,
and a liar", citing the verdict delivered by Justice Charles Gray at
the high court in London in 2000 when the historian lost a libel case
against an American writer and academic and was bankrupted."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,1714403,00.html
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Fax 11 Mar '94 14:14-Australian Embassy ViennaRepublic of Austria
Federal Ministry of Justice
File No.0.21703/2-IV 1/94
Australian Embassy
in Vienna
With reference to the note verbale of 4 March 1994 the Federal Ministry
of Justice advises that the Province Court for the City of Vienna
issued an arrest warrant against David IRVING on 8 November 1989 and
forwarded it to the Austrian Security Service. The arrest warrent for
the above named was put into force on 9 November 1989. The arrest
warrant could not be executed. The Federal Ministry of Justice has not
been informed of the entry into Austria of David IRVING after the
arrest warrant was issued.
The Federal Ministry of Justice would like to take this opportunity to
present its compliments.
10 March 1994
For the Federal Minister
FELSENSTEIN
---------------------------------
[textul original:]
Republik Österreich
Bundesministerium für Justiz
0.21703/2-IV 1/94
An die
Australische Botschaft
IN WIEN
Mit Beziehung auf die Verbalnote vom 4.3.1994 beehrt sich das
Bundesministerium für Justiz mitzuteilen, daß das Landesgericht für
Strafsachen Wien am 8.11.1989 einen Haftbefehl gegen David IRVING
ausgestellt und den Sicherheitsbehörden übergeben hat. Die
Ausschreibung des Genannten zur Verhaftung im Inland ist am 9.11.1989
erfolgt. Der Haftbefehl konnte bis jetzt nicht vollzogen werden. Von
Einreisen des David IRVING nach Österreich nach dem Zeitpunkt der
Erlassung des Haftbefehls ist dem Bundesministerium für Justiz nichts
bekannt geworden.
Das Bundesministerium für Jüstiz benützt diese Gelegenheit, die
Versicherung seiner vorzüglichen Hochachtung zum Ausdruck zu bringen.
10. März 1994
Für den Bundesminister:
FELSENSTEIN
www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Austria/AustrianGov100394dt.html
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# # #
[din verdictul procesului] Irving vs Penguin & Lipstadt:
VIII. JUSTIFICATION: THE CLAIM THAT IRVING IS A "HOLOCAUST DENIER"
(inter alia:)
-- What is meant by the term "Holocaust denier"
-- The question whether the statements made by Irving qualify him as a
"Holocaust denier" in the above sense
-- Irving's denial that he is a Holocaust denier
-- The oral and written statements made by Irving which are relied on
by the Defendants for their contention that he is a Holocaust denier
and the evidence relied on by the Defendants for their assertion that
Irving's denials are false.
-- The existence of a systematic programme or policy for killing Jews
-- The numbers of Jews killed
-- The assertion that the gas chambers were a propaganda lie invented
by the British
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/judgmentsfiles/j22/queen_irving.htm#8
# # #
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
Chomsky criticism, Faurisson affair
http://chomskyfaurisson.notlong.com
> Codruta
g
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