Ok, I just opened a bug report (#1962) for this:
https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1692/
Please get set up there and subscribe for updates (the little
envelope button next to the title). We'll continue the discussion as
needed there. Thanks.
Ted.
On 6/16/24 3:58 AM, Olivier S. wrote:
That's it ! As I wrote to the list (sorry for the late answer).
Just a little detail, you'd better consider the Percussion switch rather
than MIDI channel, because Roland consider Part 10 of Performance and
not MIDI channel. By default and probably 99% of cases Part 10 is on
Midi Channel 10 but one user may use a different channel.
Olivier
Le 15/06/2024 à 19:18, Ted Felix a écrit :
Ok, I think I understand what you are saying better now. So the
Rolands will use the same bank (MSB:LSB) for different programs
depending on whether you are on channel 10?
E.g. for channel 1, MSB:LSB:Program 0:0:1 might select piano while
on channel 10 that same 0:0:1 selects the electronic drum kit.
That really is a mess and rg doesn't support that.
I'm in the process of reviewing and cleaning up the bank editor and
I can probably fix this once I'm done, but I need confirmation from
you that I'm on the right track. Otherwise I'm going to make a mess
of this. 🤣
Let me know if the above is correct.
Ted.
On 6/15/24 12:56 PM, Olivier S. wrote:
Hello Chuck,
Thanks for your interest on this issue.
I believe nothing wrong from my device and bank settings, because
everything works as far a use 2 different devices. Conflict just
occurs when I want to merge on same device a standard bank and Drum
Set bank having same "address".
I know your online reference and I used it to try to figure out how
it works. There are a few variations depending on models compatibles
with these cards, but the principle remains that for the same MSB,
LSB pair, there are two ways of selection, depending on whether you
use a standard MIDI channel or the one (configurable but
traditionally defined on channel 10) defined for percussion (Rhythm
Sets).
I would say a rhythm set is a special percussion patch on part 10
(channel 10 by default). It's the variable you're missing.
See that in Operation Manual (p79 - Selecting a rhythm Set) ,
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/JV-1080_OM.pdf
So I think, for Roland Devices at least, RG should allow multiple (at
least 2 depending on Percussion switch selection) banks for one (MSB,
LSB) combination.
Best regards
Le 09/06/2024 à 23:53, chuck elliot a écrit :
Hi Olivier,
I haven't sent this to the list because I might be barking up the
wrong tree.
I am not familiar with these Roland synths and extensions but I
found this online:
https://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/Selecting_Ints_and_SR-JV80s.pdf
The contained midi spec. seems to define all of its banks using
different MSB
and LSB values. I assume that the "rhythm sets" are percussion patches?
Also, I don't see how it would be possible to select via midi
between 2 programs
if they have identical bank select and program change values. AFAIK
the 'percussion'
setting in RG is not part of the midi spec. but is internal to RG?
Again, I am not certain of any of this but is it possible that your
CC values are wrong?
Regards,
Chuck.
On 31/05/2024 11:49 pm, Olivier S. wrote:
Hello List, For almost half a year, you'd think I was dead. But I'm
not, even if this damn job is killing me without giving me time to
think about my home studio. First of all, thanks to Ted and Chuck
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For almost half a year, you'd think I was dead. But I'm not, even
if this damn job is killing me without giving me time to think
about my home studio.
First of all, thanks to Ted and Chuck for fixing the txt2rgb.py
script, which works perfectly.
Then here's the missing peripheral file for the Roland SR-JV80-07
extension (Super Sound Set) to which I've also included the
percussion key mappings for the 8 Drum Sets.
According to my tests, both Patch banks and Rhythm Sets work,
nevertheless with a limitation that I think is a Rosegarden bug,
unless you can explain where I'm wrong: it's impossible within the
same device to manage both Patches and Rhythm Sets for the same
MSB. Rosegarden only accepts one bank with the same LSB, even if
you check the percussion box, which I think is precisely designed
to manage this conflict. At this stage, my only solution is to
create two devices for my JV1080, one for patches on MIDI channels
1-9/11-16 and another specific to percussion on channel 10 to
manage rhythm sets. Frustrating.
Following your reply, I'm going to update the JV1080 and the
SR-JV80-09 (Session) extension devices to include key mapping. Some
users might be interested.
NB: I'm using version 20.12 of Rosegarden (Librazik 4
Distribution), which may explains why I may be encountering a
problem that has been solved on more recent versions.
Olivier
Le 11/01/2024 à 10:21, chuck elliot a écrit :
I tested the pulled /txt2rgb/.py against input that was previously
throwing the error:
/snd1 84 6 1 guitar
snd2 84 6 2 bass
snd3 84 7 1 drums
snd4 84 7 2 piano
/
and the device names were generated as intended "084-006" etc in
the rgb file,
the MSB/LSB values lying as they do outside those defined as known
XG Spec device names.
So I think all is ok.
Chuck.
On 10/01/2024 15:53, Ted Felix wrote:
Patch merged as [d501a6f3]. Please test latest git.
Ted.
On 1/10/24 9:05 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
Thanks for finding that Chuck. Can you make a patch so I can
get this fix in? Not a problem if not. I'll make the change
myself.
Ted.
On 1/8/24 12:14 PM, chuck elliot wrote:
It turns out that the "u"s in line 299 of /txt2rgb.py/ are
obsolete format
specifiers in Python. If you change these to "d"s, the script
should work as intended.
i.e.
/name = f"{MSB:03d}-{LSB:03d}"/
instead of
/name = f"{MSB:03u}-{LSB:03u}"/
This should give you "084-006" and "084-007" as device names
in your RGB file.
Regards.
On 07/01/2024 3:20 pm, Olivier S. wrote:
Hello, Best whishes to you all, No one has got an idea or did
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new to Rosegarde
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Thanks
Le 29/12/2023 à 19:17, Olivier S. a écrit :
Hello list !
I am a newcomer here, new to Rosegarden and Linux computer
music in general.
For those old enough to know, I am coming from Cubase Score
on Atari FALCON CLAB MKX.
I am learning Rosegarden and setting up my studio environment
and wanted to prepare a MIDI Instrument definition to manage
my Roland JV-1080 banks.
But I found the SR-JV80-07 - Super Sound Set Expansion Board
Device file is missing.
Then I tried to make it on my own, following Wiki information:
https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/dev:device_files#editing_with_the_gui
https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/resources/documents/rgd-HOWTO.shtml
I check the JV-1080 MIDI chart from Owner's Manual and here:
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/Jv1080sq.pdf
and found I should use (Board in expansion D) these settings.
MSB LSB PrgChg Patchs
84 6 0-127 1-128
84 7 0-127 129-256
Problem, when trying to generate the RGD file I have got
following error message :
/Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/userfolder/rosegarden/./txt2rgd.py", line 299,
in <module>
name = f"{MSB:03u}-{LSB:03u}"
ValueError: Unknown format code 'u' for object of type 'int'/
I made a few tests editing the csv source file I found out
the converter accepts only :
* 0 as MSB, at least from 0 to 10.
* doesn't accept 7 value as LSB.
Am I doing something wrong ? IS it a bug ? Any explanation or
investigation suggestion to solve this ?
Thanks, and best regards.
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