I wouldn't have been able to figure out what you did. I would have wrapped it in a command line that redirected stdin from /dev/null. I get a lot of things i try to do in the background, that have no need for any stdin, but block on TTIN, and that's how i get them to quit whining and get to work. Tim Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303.682.4917 Philips Semiconductor - Colorado TC 1880 Industrial Circle Suite D Longmont, CO 80501