http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf
How about reading the court documents which shows a little different picture!
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Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:31:36 -0600
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <RTF@rolltidefan.net> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News DayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
> Well Tim, > > There are quite a few holes in this essay. > This is exactly what I was talking about? There are > people spreading things in regards to this case that > are half truths or out it out lies. First, it has been > proven that he did not have relations with other women > until she was in her veg. state. Second, the court > experts ruled that her veg state "was due to her heart > stopping and the lack of oxygen being supplied to her > brain". The cases of abuse have been gone through by > the courts and have been proven no such abuse has > occurred. So, where do we go from here? I can say that > most people that I have talked to say that they would > not want to be kept alive by these means. I myself am > included. Her parents have recently stated that she is > being abused and mistreated by hospice. In order for > hospice to accept you, you have to be diagnosed as > "Terminal". These reports have also been found out to > be false. I have come to believe that the parents will > say and do whatever it takes to keep Terri alive. Even > Lie! I feel for both of them but, I have not heard the > Husband say one bad thing about her parents. For 15 > years her parents could have paid for her medical > treatment. Have they? No! The citizens of the state of > Florida and her Husband have been doing that. I feel > for both of them but, I feel that Terri would not want > to be kept like she is in her current condition. What > is life. She has no brain activity, she doesn't feel > pain and now there are propagand being spred through > the news she spoke up and didn't want her feeding tube > pulled. Please, give me a break. The woman hasn't said > it on either of the first 2 attempts the tube was > removed. So, why now? Because, here is someone trying > to push there own agenda. Let this woman rest in > piece! She has been made a political pawn. Period! > > > Richard > >>From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama >>Athletics Discussion List<RTF@rolltidefan.net> >>To: "RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics >>Discussion List"<RTF@rolltidefan.net> >>Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day >>InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) >>Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:24:24 -0500 >> >>Actually Richard, you and Pat appear to be of like >>mind. >> >>I am going to repost an essay that I received off-list >>that seems to take an >>objective view of the situation. I have always >>suspected this husband is not >>what he is cracked up to be. Now, I suspect it even >>more. This is long, but >>worth the read. >> >>--------------------------------------------------- >> >>Life Through A Tube? >> >>by Techniguy 03-19-2005 >> >>For the past week now, the news and talk media have >>been dominated daily, >>with one or two exceptions, by one story; the removal >>of Terri Schiavo's >>feeding tube. With the information being presented by >>the media, I found >>myself at odds with the mainstream Republicans and the >>view of the >>Conservatives who have taken this issue all the way to >>the Superior count >>and the President of the United States. I have always >>believed that it's >>just wrong to keep someone alive with artificial means >>when their time has >>come to go whether it's by natural causes or >>artificial. I still believe >>that but there were questions in the Schiavo case that >>needed answering. >> >>The media turned this into a circus of ideological and >>moral issues with >>views from both sides of the question, but really >>hadn't given us enough >>information to understand what is really going on. All >>we really knew was >>that Terri was in a vegetative state with irreversible >>brain damage >>resulting from a heart attack 15 years ago and her >>husband, Michael Schiavo >>wants the feeding tube removed as it was Terri's wish, >>or so he says. There >>have been plenty of discussions regarding the legal >>issues involved, and who >>is right and who is wrong, but we've learned little >>more from them. >> >>I have been thinking about writing this article for a >>couple of days now >>which I knew would be controversial with most of my >>readers, but the way I >>saw it, no one would want to be kept alive in Terri's >>condition, and as her >>Husband, Michael is really the only person who has the >>legal right to decide >>the issue. It was bad enough that Terri's parents, Bob >>and Mary Schindler, >>had been waging a seven year court battle to fight >>against the rights of the >>husband, but then when the Florida State Legislature, >>the Governor, and the >>Federal Government started getting involved in this, >>It seemed it was going >>too far. The law is the law, and the law says that >>Michael Schiavo has the >>right to have the feeding tube removed, so obey the >>law and grant him that >>right. Right? It turns out that the issue just isn't >>that simple. >> >>I am not going to try to support either side of the >>feeding tube issue here, >>but rather provide some information that you may not >>have seen in the news >>reports. I still believe that the Federal Government >>has no more business >>getting involved in this than they have getting >>involved in steroid use in >>baseball, it's not their job or any of their business >>in either case. The >>government simply has no right interfering in family >>business. However, >>there is another issue here that may be government >>business, what if Michael >>Schiavo is responsible for Terri's condition? >> >>Does Michael Schiavo want Terri dead for her sake or >>for his own? Some say >>it's for money but I don't believe that's the case. In >>November 1992, her >>husband, Michael, won a medical malpractice lawsuit >>after claiming that >>doctors failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance that >>caused the heart >>attack. The court awarded approximately $1.3 million >>in damages with >>$300,000 to Michael for his loss and another $700,000 >>to Michael for Terri's >>guardianship and care. Schiavo claims the money has >>been used to fund >>therapy for Terri and only about $50,000 remains in >>her fund. World Net >>Daily has reported, Attorney and Director of Florida >>Right to Die, George J. >>Felos has been paid some $358,000 from the fund and >>Schiavo's other attorney >>reportedly received $80,000. Schiavo added that there >>is no life insurance >>policy on Terri's life and stressed he stands to gain >>nothing financially >>from her death. Mr. Schiavo is financially sound in >>his own business and has >>even turned down a $1 million offer to transfer >>custody of Terri to her >>parents and walk away. He doesn't need or want the >>money. For him, it's not >>about money yet he refuses to allow Terri's parents to >>take responsibility >>for her care and divorce himself from the situation >>altogether. Why? >> >> >>According to the record based on statements by Mr. >>Schiavo, and supported by >>a decision by Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. >>Greer, Terri had told >>Michael that she wouldn't want to be kept alive in an >>incapacitated >>condition by artificial means. In late 1991, 1½ years >>after Terri's >>collapse, Michael Schiavo became involved in an >>intimate relationship with >>Cindy Shook. The romance continued for approximately >>one year. Unwilling to >>come forward because of her immense fear of Schiavo, >>Cindy had to be >>subpoenaed and was then subsequently deposed on May 8, >>2001 to try and learn >>more regarding her intimate knowledge of Michael >>Schiavo's character traits. >>Cindy said Schiavo got angry when asked questions >>about Terri saying: "this >>had destroyed his life and he was being robed of a >>normal life." >> >>When asked about Terri's medical care and being kept >>alive, according to >>Cindy Shook, Michael Schiavo said, "How the hell >>should I know we never >>spoke about this, my God I was only 25 years old. How >>the hell should I >>know? We were young. We never spoke of this." But >>Michael says that Terri >>had expressed her wishes to him regarding this during >>court proceedings. He >>is not being consistent. >> >>Carole Lieberman, M.D., M.P.H., Psychiatrist and >>expert medical witness, and >>the author of the book, "Bad Boys: Why We Love Them, >>How to Live with Them >>and When to Leave Them", was quoted as saying, "I have >>studied men who >>exhibit pathology in their relationships with women. >>Profiles of the twelve >>different types of bad boys are explained. Michael >>Schiavo fits the profile, >>described in the book as the Prince of Darkness. >>Michael Schiavo was likely >>to have known that Terri had begun making plans to >>divorce him, since she >>had told a coworker and family member. Stalking is >>characteristic of this >>type of man, as well. And a girlfriend of Michael's, >>Cindy, accused him of >>stalking her in 2001." >> >> >>Cindy Shook described Schiavo's possessiveness this >>way: "he's very jealous. >>He stalked me at my. at where I worked after I stopped >>dating. when he would >>get mad at me he would tell me, I would rather be >>laying in bed in the >>nursing home with her than with you. I mean he can be >>the most incredibly >>mean person" When asked if she were afraid that >>Michael would physically >>harm her or if he would harm children. "I am concerned >>about retaliation >>because I have a child -I have children and a husband. >>I know him, I know >>what he told me I said he could be a very mean >>person." >> >>She spoke of how Schiavo stalked her for close to a >>year after the breakup >>and that she received repeated phone calls. "He came >>on the floor looking >>for me several times". I felt it was out of character >>for him to get a job >>as an orderly at the hospital That was concerning to >>me. When he would come >>up to the floor looking for her she was not scared the >>first time but later >>was scared. "In town I would look up when I was >>driving.not at my work" - >>she would look up in the rear view mirror and there >>would be Michael >>Schiavo. "I would look up and he would be behind me in >>traffic". It >>continued for several months after he didn't work at >>the hospital. She would >>change lanes, try to make a turn and he would do the >>same. He did this about >>ten times. "One time he was behind me in traffic he >>got next to me in a >>two-lane going the same way, and he changed lanes >>basically right on top of >>where I was at, and I had to swerve not to be hit. I >>had to swerve off the >>road. Michael ran me off the road. I considered it as >>stalking, dangerous >>and guessed potentially life threatening." They >>discussed marriage. She >>said Schiavo asked what would you do if I asked you to >>marry me. He never >>discussed getting a divorce. >> >>"In June of 1993, eight months after he got the >>malpractice money, he tried >>to kill Terri by withholding antibiotics needed to >>treat an infection. There >>was $800,000 in the fund at the time", Terri's brother >>Bobby Schindler told >>World Net Daily. According to court records, the >>caregivers at the nursing >>home overruled Schiavo's order and treated Terri for >>her infection. As >>additional "proof" that he's not in the legal battle >>for the money, Schiavo >>told Larry King he offered three times to donate the >>money to charity two >>years ago. But Bobby Schindler called it a "hollow >>offer." "The offer came >>with the stipulation that my parents agree to let my >>sister starve to death. >>Why would we let her starve to death?". >> >>According to Schiavo, he heard a "thud" in the hall at >>4:30 a.m. and got out >>of bed to find his wife lying face down on the floor. >>Schiavo said he rolled >>her over and saw she was "lifeless" and called 911. >>"If Michael rolled her >>over, then he rolled her back," Schindler told World >>Net Daily. "He has also >>stated [in other interviews] that when I showed up he >>was cradling her in >>his arms. Now he's changing his story?" According to >>Schindler, Schiavo >>called Robert Schindler first, who then alerted Bobby >>because he lived in >>the same apartment complex as his sister, and then >>called 911. Bobby >>Schindler said when he arrived on the scene, Terri was >>face down with her >>arms underneath her and her hands up by her neck. >>"It's etched in my mind," >>said Schindler, adding that he heard a "gurgling or >>snoring sound" coming >>from Terri. Schiavo has declined to answer where he >>would be willing to take >>a lie detector test regarding the events of that >>night. >> >>It is Michael Schiavo's contention that Terri suffered >>a heart attack as the >>result of a potassium imbalance likely due to bulimia. >>But Michael Baden, >>who is co-director of the Investigative Unit of New >>York State Police in >>Albany and former chief medical examiner for New York >>City, ruled out >>potassium imbalance and a heart attack as factors in >>Terri's mysterious >>collapse 13 years ago - which left her severely >>incapacitated and unable to >>speak - and pointed to head trauma and bone injuries >>as a more likely cause. >>Baden said he studied a bone scan made in March 1991 >>at a rehabilitation >>facility that describes Terri as having a head injury: >>"That's why she's >>there, that's why she's getting a bone scan." "A head >>injury can ... lead to >>the vegetative state that Ms. Schiavo is in now," he >>continued, adding the >>scan showed evidence of other injuries, bone fractures >>in her thigh, lower >>back, ribs and both ankles. >> >>Coupled with medical records that indicated Terri was >>admitted to the >>hospital the night of her collapse with a >>"suspiciously rigid neck" which >>two physicians described as being consistent with >>attempted strangulation, >>prompted the Schindlers to seek an investigation of >>the 1990 collapse. Amid >>strenuous objection from Felos, Greer ruled against >>such a probe. Bobby >>Schindler said the refusal to investigate Terri's >>collapse casts doubt on >>Schiavo's assertion he still loves his wife. "The >>broken bones got there >>somehow," he said. "It seems to me if I were her >>husband I would want to >>find out what happened to her." In the interview with >>Larry King, Schiavo >>addressed the strangulation testimony by asking why >>her neck was not bruised >>and her trachea damaged. I have asked the same >>question. >> >>If these injuries were evident during the medical >>examination at the >>hospital, then why was there no investigation into the >>prospect of assault >>and spousal abuse? Why were Felos and Greer covering >>for Schiavo? Judge >>Greer has ruled that Terri is in a persistent >>vegetative state (PVS). This >>ruling was necessary under Florida law to allow >>dehydration. Under Florida >>law, this means that Terri exhibits no voluntary >>action or cognitive >>behavior of any kind and is unable to communicate or >>interact purposely with >>the environment. >> >>Hospital nurses Heidi Law, Carla Sauer-Iyer, Carolyn >>Johnson have been >>ignored and dismissed without hearing; each testified >>that Michael was >>abusive to Terri and may have attempted to kill her by >>insulin injection and >>attempts to induce pneumonia by turning the thermostat >>in her room to 64 >>degrees. Within months of the money being deposited in >>the bank, Michael >>ordered a do-not-resuscitate order placed on Terri's >>chart. He has also >>repeatedly denied her other forms of medical care, >>such as treatment for >>infections. In the mid 1990s, according to another >>nurse's affidavit filed >>under penalty of perjury, Michael was overheard saying >>things such as, "When >>is she going to die," "Has she died yet?" and "When is >>that bitch going to >>die?" >> >> >>It should be clear by now that Michael Schiavo wants >>Terri dead, probably so >>that she can never tell anyone what really happened >>that night. Forget about >>all the "right to life" and "right to die" rhetoric. >>The real questions is; >>if Terri is allowed to starve to death now, will >>Michael simply be allowed >>to finish what he started 15 years ago? I think this >>needs further >>investigation before any action is taken by Schiavo >>but that was done >>yesterday. It wasn't the first time the feeding tube >>has been removed, it's >>the third. Late last year the tube was removed for six >>days before it was >>re-inserted. There may be a repeat of this on Monday >>when the current >>regular judge returns to his court. >> >>Whether Terri lives or dies will make little >>difference to her. Her life >>ended that night 15 years ago and will never be >>recovered. They say she is >>"brain dead" but that's not the case, she is only half >>brain dead. All of >>her autonomic functions are working but her cerebral >>cortex is dead which is >>the area of the brain that deals with conscious >>thought and memory. She >>swallows her own saliva but doesn't seem to be aware >>of food or water in her >>mouth and rarely swallows it. She lives in a dream >>state with occasional >>moments of lucidness when disturbed. She awakes and >>responds to stimulus but >>has no idea of where she is or what is going on. At >>times she tries to speak >>but can get no further than the first word on >>occasions. >> >>While being visited by her family and their attorney, >>she was told "Terri, >>if you can just say 'I want to live', this will all be >>over", according to a >>close relative being interviewed on the Sean Hannity >>Show. Terri's response >>was "I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa". He said she then >>continued yelling >>"waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" until the attendants came in >>to see what was >>wrong. >> >>Did she really know what she was trying to say? Was >>she just mocking what >>she had heard like a parrot? Or was she trying to say >>"I want to die"? We'll >>never know. If it was me, I would not want to live >>like that, would you? It' >>s not a life, it's not living. Brain cells do not >>regenerate, once they die, >>they are gone for good. Terri will never recover from >>this. We have heard >>reports of a woman who, after a head injury, was in a >>coma for 20 years, >>then suddenly woke up. At times, her condition was >>very much like Terri's >>with apparent moments of consciousness but she was not >>there. One day she >>just came out of it and now lives a normal life. The >>difference is that half >>her brain did not die, but rather was in shock for all >>that time. In Terri >>Schiavo's case, the brain cells are dead and will >>never work again. What the >>world needs to know now is what part Michael Schiavo >>played in Terri's >>condition, if any. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Behalf Of Richard Reeves >> >Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:05 PM >> >To: RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In >> >Florida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) >> > >> > >> >Pat, >> > I consider myself a Pro-Lifer however, this >> > woman has left me in >> >turmoil. Most people know none of the facts of this >> >case. Only bits and >> >pieces from what the media has gave them. I live in >> >the area and have >> >followed this very closely and feel that this woman >> >would truly want to >>go >> >peacefully. First most don't know how she became >> >"brain dead"! She >> >got this >> >way from her eating dis-order. She was so vain about >> >her vanity >> >that she was >> >starving herself to maintain her appearance. Thus, >> >causing her >> >breathing to >> >stop and lastly her brain damage. Secondly, who >> >would want to lead an >> >existance (not a life) that you were nothing but >> >incoherent veg? Not me! >> > >> > >> >What really disturbs me about this case is a family >> >that has had >> >15 years to >> >prove Terry has brain activity, wanted to live or >> >could have >> >expert testify >> >that she would get better with therapy. Now at the >> >eleventh hour they >>have >> >manipulated or State Government to circumvent the 15 >> >years the courts >>have >> >deliberated this. Even our State Supreme Court. Now >> >it seems that >> >they have >> >even tried to get our Congress involved and thank >> >goodness the >> >courts aren' >> >thaving any of this. You see the family won't let >> >go! The husband has >>been >> >made out to be a total ass and I really feel for >> >him. He has been offered >> >Millions to walk away and sign custody over to her >> >parents. He has >>refused >> >because, he says he made a promise to Terry and >> >knows what her wishes. He >> >says, it ain't about the money, only his wife's >> >wishes. I have prayed >>long >> >and hard about this and I feel that my wife knows my >> >wishes better than >>my >> >parents do. She knows that I would never want to >> >exist in this condition. >> > >> > >> >Richard >> > >> > >> >>From: "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama >> >>Athletics Discussion >> >>List<RTF@rolltidefan.net> >> >>To: "RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics >> >>Discussion >> >>List"<RTF@rolltidefan.net> >> >>Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In >> >>Florida... >> >>[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) >> >>Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:01:17 -0600 >> >> >> >>Surely you people are not advocating that this poor >> >>woman be left in a >> >>hospital bed for another 15 years. Her parents are >> >>the one that >> >should be >> >>shot. It's shameful. She should have been allowed >> >>to die a long >> >time ago >> >>with just a little shred of dignity left. How many >> >>of you would really >> >>want this type of survival? How many of you would >> >>want your >> >parents to see >> >>you like that for 15 years? How about your >> >>children? Why do we feel >>the >> >>need to torture humans when we euthanize animals? >> >> >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Boozer" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>To: "RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics >> >>Discussion List" >> >><RTF@rolltidefan.net> >> >>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:37 PM >> >>Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In >> >>Florida... [Fwd: >> >>FNCAlert](non-Bama) >> >> >> >> >> >>>Mike - I had not heard about this till I read your >> >>>post. I just got >>home. >> >>>This is sick and it apparently took place about 60 >> >>>miles from my house. >>I >> >>>really hoped this girl would turn up somehow. I >> >>>just don't get it. >> >>> >> >>>You're right, Judge Greer, George Felos, and >> >>>Michael Shiavo will >>someday >> >>>have to answer for their deeds, but none of that >> >>>helps Terri >> >today. If she >> >>>expressed a wish to die in this situation, why did >> >>>it take him so long >>to >> >>>come forward with that information? It doesn't >> >>>hurt anyone for her to >>be >> >>>allowed to live, why kill her? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>Behalf Of Mike Laborde >> >>>>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:58 PM >> >>>>To: RTF@RollTideFan.net >> >>>>Subject: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In >> >>>>Florida... [Fwd: FNC >> >>>>Alert](non-Bama) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>Will any RTF'er in Florida please kill this man? >> >>>>A very slow and >> >>>>painful death >> >>>>is preferable but dead is dead. While he is >> >>>>dying, ram a hot poker >> >>>>up his ass >> >>>>repeatedly. >> >>>> >> >>>>While you are at it, Judge George Greer needs a >> >>>>good old fashioned >> >>>>Southern ass >> >>>>whoopin' too. >> >>>> >> >>>>We certainly do have a problem with the judiciary >> >>>>in this country. >> >>>>Many seem to >> >>>>think they are above the law. We need serious >> >>>>reform. >> >>>> >> >>>>Thanks for letting me vent! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>--- Original Message --- >> >>>>From: "BREAKING NEWS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>>To: REAKINGNEWS Subscribers >> >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>>Cc: >> >>>>Sent: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:30:35 -0500 >> >>>>Subject: FNC Alert >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>POLICE: SEX OFFENDER JOHN EVANDER COUEY >> >>>>>CONFESSES TO KILLING >> >>>>>JESSICA LUNSFORD >> >>>>> >> >>>>>**Watch FOX News Channel or go to >> >>>>>http://foxnews.com for more >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>_______________________________________________ >> >>>>RTF mailing list >> >>>>RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >>>>http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >> >>>RTF mailing list >> >>>RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >>>http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>RTF mailing list >> >>RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >>http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >RTF mailing list >> >RTF@rolltidefan.net >> >http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>RTF mailing list >>RTF@rolltidefan.net >>http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > RTF mailing list > RTF@rolltidefan.net > http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
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