Cameron Vessey wrote:
> Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:
>> Cameron Vessey wrote:
>>> ok so the first problem was I had
>>> 
>>>  map.resources :user_loggin
>>> 
>>> which is a RESTful type routing???
>> 
>> That's normally what you want.  Use RESTful routes unless there's a good 
>> reason not to n
> Heres a good reason ..they wern't working

Not a good reason.  If you're going to learn to use Rails, learn to 
*use* it, not kludge around it.  Rails' routing is a bit complex, but 
well worth learning how to use.

>> 
>>> and it messes with URL routing or some thing ...
>> 
>> No, it's just a shorthand for defining certain routes.  Read the docs 
>> for details.
> 
> I read the docs for 3 hours and 2 diferent reference books.. not one 
> told me that adding a map.resource :(controller) to routes would make it 
> so you couldn't use the URL to navigate.

Because that isn't the case as such.  You have to understand routing a 
little better, I'd say.

> 
> Why would I use restful if I have no clue how to use restful?

Because you want to learn, maybe?  If you don't want to learn, why are 
you asking questions?

> 
>> 
>>> Deleted it from routes file and can navigate manually threw views...
>> 
>> Particularly since you seem to be a beginner, I'd advise starting with 
>   Way to call out the obvous , what a nice thing to do

I wanted to check, not assume.  Sorry for trying to be nice.

> 
>> RESTful routes and naming your controller actions accordingly.  Judging 
>> from your earlier post, your controller actions have strange names.
>   Who asked for your opinion on naming conventions?

Routing is about naming conventions.  If you don't want advice, don't 
ask for it.

> 
>> Change them to use RESTful style as much as possible.
>    Telling some one to change them to restful style; when its apparent 
> they don't know what restful is,  isn't saying any thing at all.

It was not clear to me that you didn't know.  Anyway, this is a perfect 
opportunity to ask more questions or do independent research.  It is not 
a perfect opportunity to insult those who are trying to help.

> 
>> 
>> (Oh, and you misspelled "login"...)
>   No I spelt user_loggin exactly the way I wanted to, but you just had 
> to point it out yes?

I thought you might not want spelling errors in your code.  Silly me.

> 
>>> .... wierd
>> 
>> Not weird at all.  Read the Rails routing guide and docs.
> 
>  I really don't understand why you responded to my post at all,

Because I saw you going down the wrong path and I thought I could help.

Now ask yourself: I gave you some advice that was apparently not clear 
to you.  Why did *you* bother to respond at all if it was just to 
complain that I didn't spell everything out for you?  Do you really 
think people on this list will want to help you out if you come here 
with that kind of attitude?

> you 
> never have any thing positive to say on any of your forum replies and 
> you constantly interject your own opinion on matters that were never 
> asked to be addressed.

I give answers and point out problems as I see them.  That's what a 
forum like this is for.

> And it seems to me that you rarley provide any one with any actual 
> useful information...Go read the manual!!!?? Go read the book!? who 
> needs that type of advice?...

People who don't read the manual before posting.  And on the evidence, 
there are lots of them. :)

> 
> For example earlyer this week I asked about downloading 
> rest_authentication becuase I could not get the process to work ... did 
> you reply with some useful help on how to grab plugins on a windows OS? 
> No! you told me don't bother with restful_authentication it sucks..and 
> windows sucks... which whether correct or not has nothing to do with how 
> to properly down load restful_aunthentication on  a windows xp platform. 

I told you you were making bad decisions, because you were.  I also told 
you how to fix the problem you were having.  If you chose to ignore my 
solution, don't blame me.

> And thats what I asked for help with if I can't figure out how to 
> download restful_authentication, you think I can just go and magicly 
> download what ever alternitive plugin you suggested.

Because you can!  The Rails plugin installation process is uniform.  If 
you can install one plugin, you can install them all.

>>
> 
>> Best,
>> -- 
>> Marnen Laibow-Koser
>> http://www.marnen.org
>> [email protected]
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Look dude ..no one helped me with this problem..I did figure it out on 
> my own, by googling and reading and googling and reading ... books and 
> doc's  and I replied to my own question incase some one else accidently 
> messed with the routing file like I did.
> 
> All your response was, was a snobish trashing of my question and my own 
> response... 

I wasn't trashing anything.  I was trying to explain how to do things 
better.  I assumed that since you were trying to learn Rails, you 
actually wanted to learn to do things right.  Was I mistaken?  Did you 
just want your ego stroked?  Or something else?  I really don't get it.

> do me a favor ..ignore my questions...

That wouldn't be doing you a favor.  But I might do it anyway if you 
don't lose that attitude.

> 
> thanks

Best,
-- 
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

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