Okay, I understand now. I had incorrectly assumed that the "applicant == 
$applicant" constraint was using identity. Not a big deal to work around. It 
seems like you would most often want to use identity in constraints, but I 
guess you have to provide for those cases when you need to use equality. Maybe 
there should be two different operators. Just my two ยข.

Anyway, thanks.
-Hans

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From: "Edson Tirelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


   Oh, I see. 

   Unfortunately in this case, there is nothing we can do about it, because the 
rules are behaving exactly as they were supposed to behave:

NegativeResult(applicant == $applicant)

   As you can see, they are telling the application to use the equals 
comparison in the constraint:

applicant == $applicant

   A fact should not change it's identity once it is asserted, so, either you 
use a constant "equals()/hashcode()" implementation, or you use constraints on 
an immutable ID:

NegativeResult(applicantId == $applicant.id)

   You can also fallback to java "identity" check by using eval, but it is 
ugly... :)

NegativeResult( eval( applicant == $applicant) )

   []s
   Edson



2008/8/4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Edson,

I finally succeeded in coming up with a simple test case that shows the 
problem. I have attached the necessary files, which include a test case, three 
fact objects, and the drl.

One key to this test are the fact that the Applicant fact object has an 
"equals" method that tests for equality of its attributes, rather than 
identity. A second key is that the applicant object is updated after it is 
inserted.

It appears that what is happening is that an activation is created for the rule 
that uses "not" when the applicant is inserted. Then, when the applicant is 
updated, a second activation is created for that rule. It should be cancelling 
the previous activation, but doesn't find it because the Applicant instance no 
longer "equals" the fact object that caused the activation.

Thanks!
-Hans
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Edson Tirelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


   Hans, 

   Your reasoning is correct. There should not be 2 instances of 
ApplicantStatus in the working memory. 

   Can you provide a test case showing the problem? we have test cases here 
using "not" and logical assertions, and it works properly.

   Thanks,
       Edson


2008/7/31 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

How is "
not" supposed to work with insertLogical? Assume I have two different rules 
whose conditions are mutually exclusive, like the following: 
rule
"Rule One" 
when 
not NegativeResult() 
then 
insertLogical(new ApplicantStatus("Approved")); 
end
rule
"Rule Two" 
when 
NegativeResult() 
then 
insertLogical(new ApplicantStatus("Denied")); 
end
Assume that the above two rules are the only way an 
ApplicantStatus fact can be inserted into working memory. I would expect, after 
all rules are run, that it would be impossible for there to be one 
ApplicantStatus with "Approved" as its reason, and another with "Denied" as its 
reason, in the working memory. 
I would expect that, before any 
NegativeResult is inserted, that rule one could run, and insert an 
ApplicantStatus fact with an "Approved" reason. Then, after a NegativeResult is 
inserted, that rule two could run, and insert an ApplicantStatus fact with a 
"Denied" reason. At this point I would expect that the original ApplicantStatus 
fact, with an "Approved" reason, would be retracted, since the conditions under 
which it was inserted are no lon! ger true. 
This is not what I am observing, however. I am finding 
ApplicantStatus facts with both reasons in working memory at the end of the 
rules run. Should "not" work as I expect with regard to inserting a fact via 
insertLogical()? Or is this a known limitation, or simply the way it is 
designed to work? 
Thanks,
-Hans

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