In a message dated 6/7/2007 6:07:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BTW Ed,  the dreaded Pennsy also used track pans.  I think the NYC's 
real  innovation was not the track pans, but installing vent over-
flows in  tenders so water could be taken on at high speeds.  Without 
these  devices (note all the large pipes along the bottom sides of NYC 
Hudson and  Niagara tenders), taking on water at high speeds would 
have literally  blown up the tender!




The PRR's tender hatches had no latches, they simply opened when the tender  
was full.  Hatch "lid" was wider and longer than the scoop, allowing at  least 
as much water out as in, albeit, at speed. Many engineers took great  
exception to their fireman alllowing this to happen.  Head "Brakies" riding  in 
the 
"dog house" on the rear of the PRR tenders didn't appreciate it  either.  Most 
"dog houses" had wooden floors over the water tank, high  speed water could 
find it's way up to greet them.  Also was verboten if  passing another train at 
speed.
 
Jim "lovin' livin" on the Keystone Main" Lyle



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