Guys, For once it seems that S has something not available in HO.
See www.thesupplycar.net. for the complete CZ train set. Thanks, Bob McCarthy THE SUPPLY CAR --- On Sat, 6/25/11, Bob Webber <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bob Webber <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PCL] Budd domes - CB&Q vs. California Zephyr To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011, 7:57 PM Major issues. The dome coaches, dome lounge, dome obs are all not available in plastic, and rarely in brass. The dome coaches are not like those of the CZ (Broadway Limited) or the TCZ (Con-Cor). The baggage, 6-5s & Slumbercoaches are about the only cars available that would work relatively easily ("relatively" being key here). The 10-6s are not available, and are more like the C&O 10-6s made by Pullman (in floor arrangement) than the Budd 10-6s that are available (though if you get a PACIFIC Budd 10-6 and add skirting and slight window mods, you come close to the 10-6s used in the Zephyr pool along with the CZ 10-6s of 1952). The diner has a different kitchen window & road name / train name "boards" (as do all the cars). The dome/dorm/buffet/lounge isn't all that similar to the CZ version. Of course, the dome obs is unlike anything produced thus far in plastic. No one has made the flat top cars in plastic, the 16 section/coach Broadway cars have different windows & the other issues explained earlier. No one has made a similar BME in plastic, as far as I know. Having said all that, there were more than a few times that a CZ car substituted for the baggage, diner, dome coach, 10-6s, 6-5s and the flat top coach (post 1961). Having ALL of them in the train would not be plausible, but having one or two - even three - might work fine. But...making the obs is a tough row. Oh - NKP Car does have some of the cars available as kits. As the last complete train ordered for US long distance (not commuter) routes (prior to Amtrak), and one that was successful up to Amtrak, it would be a good train to model. There were operational changes (in terms of the obs and the dorm/lounge) that modified consists. It was one of the more interesting D&RGW trains as well (either as a stand alone or as part of the Royal Gorge). The problem is, like some people on this list, many manufacturers see a stainless train as "just another silver train" and see no point in making another (I think this concept hurts SE modelers as well). The AT&SF cars are different in terms of outline. The Super Chief is the only stainless offered (in theory) by Walthers. I would love to see some other trains in this genre as well, the Sunset Limited, the RGZ, a few SE trains, etc. I don't know if there is enough call for them given the "just another silver train" theory. I guess I should be complete - although you suggested the domes, that doesn't necessarily preclude the earlier version of the DZ, but that is a highly unlikely possibility, and, even tougher to put together. (except in brass). At 01:59 PM 6/25/2011, you wrote: >Aside from my rabid Seaboard Coast Line modeling I love passenger >trains and the >diversity across the country. I'm looking at modeling the Denver Zephyr. Of >course there were several cars that will be a challenge i.e. the blunt end >observation. The California Zephyr domes look to be very close or >accurate for >those the CB&Q used albeit with Burlington lettering vs. CZ. Has anyone done >research? While there were obvious interior differences if the windows were >right I could be in luck. > >Howard Gillespie > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Bob Webber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
