--- In [email protected], Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote:
>
> Tom, You mean to say that Am. Flyer's Northern Pacific PA's were bogus????
> The inhumanity of it all! But seriously, yes, C&NW's 400 with PA's would have
> been striking. Same for Milw Rd. Hiawatha.
The Alco DL-109/110's were not the very best set up for a dual engined
locomotive. New Haven seemed to have liked them, even assigning them to freight
duty between passenger runs. The DL's used two 1000 hp in line 6 cylinder
Macintosh & Seymour prime movers turbocharged. These same power plants were
quite successful in the S-2/4 series.
The EMD vs. Alco passenger discussion to me is like my childhood arguments
with my cousin....Ford vs. Chevy! The way the PA's were set up with their
Amplidine control, they had much quicker pickup than an E unit. I've seen
several videos whereby an E unit in lead followed by a PA, the PA always
accelerates much faster and consequently actually shoves the E away from a
station stop until the E can make transition, even then the PA could outrun
them for the most part.
In my book its Alco's - 1, EMD's - 0!
Bud Rindfleisch
>
>
>
> The most regretable part of the story is that no railroad operating in the
> Upper Midwest had any PA units. Wouldn't it have looked neat to have seen
> C&NW PA units hauling the "400" or Milwaukee Road PAs on the "Twin Cities
> Hiawatha"? My father-in-law who worked as an engineer on the Milwaukee
> between Minineapolis and LaCrosse, Wisconsin, regaled me with stories about
> the two ALCO DL-series passenger units used on the "Hiawatha". He hated the
> things, said they were not up to the two EMD E-6 units the Milwaukee had, so
> I guess that's the reason the Milwaukee turned to EMD E units for most of its
> passenger power.
>
> Oh, and how about two silver PA units on the "Twin Cities Zephyr"? I guess
> AF had the Q in mind when the company turned out silver PA units with the
> broad red no-real-road emblem on the nose, sort of looked like Q insignia but
> no cigar.
>
> Tom
> ________________________________________
> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Bud
> Rindfleisch [BlackDiamondRR@...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:44 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: Simulated Prototype String
>
> --- In [email protected], "scale S only" <scalesonly@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bud --
> >
> > While I have a lot of friends who were and are in the real railroad
> > business, the closest I got to these locos was a tour through the ALCo
> > Schenectady plant while they were building the last of the Century 630s
> > (1967). An interesting tour given by a friend who was on ALCoâs
> > engineering design team (I think he took credit for that wallowing Hi-Ad
> > truck), the place was a shadow of what it must have been at one time. The
> > GE plant next door was even worse... That fellow was a true nut â" he
> > used
> > an ALCo diesel piston for a pillow on his bed.
>
> Bill, Wow, a piston for a pillow???? He must've had a real "cylinder
> head" (Sorry I couldn't help myself!)
> Bud R.
>
>
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