Doris, please do not trivialize abuse.

On Saturday, September 7, 2024 at 4:11:52 AM UTC-7 dantetante wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> boaaahhh come on guys! I again could't read all the past mails and cannot 
> comment objectively, but subjectively this feels like Kindergarten. Perhaps 
> Dima and Matthias (and the CoC group as well) should read >>Asterix and the 
> big fight<<?
>
> scnr
>
> ... some months ago I suggested the >>key players<< meeting in person and 
> a professional mediation, but the CoC did not plan anything in that 
> direction, right?
>
> SageMath is much too important to have quarrels like those destroy the 
> project ... so CoC please do some real management. Writing proposals and 
> E-Mails will not solve the problem, I believe.
>
> Doris
>
> > On 7. Sep 2024, at 09:36, Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6 September 2024 22:29:35 BST, Matthias Koeppe <matthia...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 6, 2024 at 1:23:21 PM UTC-7 jplab wrote:
> >> 
> >> We would like to solicit suggestions from the community for a new 
> section 
> >> of the Sage Code of Conduct 
> >> <https://github.com/sagemath/sage/blob/develop/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md> 
> >> addressing blocking. The following is a draft:
> >> 
> >> Blocking another SageMath developer on GitHub can be a valid response 
> to 
> >> extreme misconduct, aimed at reducing interactions. However, unless the 
> >> misconduct results in the blocked person being excluded from the 
> SageMath 
> >> project, such blocks should be temporary and last only until the 
> conflict 
> >> is resolved. The SageMath Code of Conduct Committee should work with 
> both 
> >> parties to lift the block. If the blocked person does not cooperate, 
> the 
> >> committee may sanction them. If the blocker does not cooperate, the 
> >> committee may decide that proper discussion on their Pull Requests and 
> >> Issues is not feasible, and request that the release manager not merge 
> any 
> >> of their Pull Requests until the block is lifted.
> >> 
> >> We know that this issue is sensitive for several Sage developers [...]
> >> 
> >> 
> >> A public discussion of this is meaningless as long as the public is 
> unaware 
> >> of the extent of dysfunction of the CoCC, which refuses to take the 
> >> necessary steps even in the face of persistent abuse.
> >> 
> > 
> > We have a proposal to discuss. Functioning of a committee is a rather 
> different topic.
> > 
> > As a target of blocking on GitHub, which I think is aimed at pushing me 
> out of the project,
> > I very much welcome any way out of this limbo - even if it means that 
> the blocker is prevented from contributing to the project as long as the 
> block is at place.
> > 
> > Dima
> > 
> > 
> > 
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