Hi
I am suprised at these not being contained in sage:
0 root@kontiki:/usr/lib/sagemath/local/bin#for i in *; do ldd $i | egrep '
/lib|/usr/lib' |grep readline && echo $i; done
libreadline.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libreadline.so.6
(0x00007f83abbea000)
gp
libreadline.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libreadline.so.6
(0x00007f00f1e27000)
gp-2.5
libreadline.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libreadline.so.6
(0x00007eff5e6a6000)
singular
libreadline.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libreadline.so.6
(0x00007f4c694cd000)
Singular
libreadline.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libreadline.so.6
(0x00007fdbebd23000)
Singular-3-1-5
libreadline.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libreadline.so.6
(0x00007f465a38d000)
sqlite3
1 root@kontiki:/usr/lib/sagemath/local/bin#for i in *; do ldd $i | egrep '
/lib|/usr/lib' |grep mpfr && echo $i; done
libmpfr.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmpfr.so.4
(0x00007ffaea6a3000)
latticegen
1 root@kontiki:/usr/lib/sagemath/local/bin#for i in *; do ldd $i | egrep '
/lib|/usr/lib' |grep gmp && echo $i; done
libgmp.so.10 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10
(0x00007f30e1a98000)
latticegen
libgmpxx.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmpxx.so.4
(0x00007fbd2b2a5000)
libgmp.so.10 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10
(0x00007fbd2b031000)
ppl-config
libgmpxx.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmpxx.so.4
(0x00007f60dbc4e000)
libgmp.so.10 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10
(0x00007f60db0f8000)
ppl_lcdd
libgmpxx.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmpxx.so.4
(0x00007ff4d521f000)
libgmp.so.10 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10
(0x00007ff4d4fab000)
ppl_lpsol
libgmpxx.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmpxx.so.4
(0x00007fe3ed6b9000)
libgmp.so.10 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10
(0x00007fe3ecb63000)
ppl_pips
1 root@kontiki:/usr/lib/sagemath/local/bin#for i in *; do ldd $i | egrep '
/lib|/usr/lib' |grep gsl && echo $i; done
1 root@kontiki:/usr/lib/sagemath/local/bin#for i in *; do ldd $i | grep gsl
&& echo $i; done
libgsl.so.0 => not found
libgslcblas.so.0 => not found
gsl-histogram
libgsl.so.0 => not found
libgslcblas.so.0 => not found
gsl-randist
This box has not yet updated to the latest sage 6.1.1ubuntu4 that will
depend on libgsl (currently building in the PPA).
Regards,
Jan
On 20 April 2014 17:38, Jan Groenewald <j...@aims.ac.za> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Ok, so far I have this:
>
> Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, libc6, libexpat1,
> libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libgcc1, libgd2-xpm, libgmp10, libgmpxx4ldbl,
> libgsl0ldbl, libjpeg-turbo8, libmpfr4, libpng12-0, libppl13, libppl-c4,
> libpython2.7, libreadline6, libsqlite3-0, libssl1.0.0, libstdc++6,
> libtinfo5, libx11-6, libxau6, libxcb1, libxdmcp6, libxpm4, zlib1g
> Recommends: openssl, build-essential, gfortran, libgfortran3, imagemagick,
> dvipng, texlive, texlive-pictures, icedtea-plugin
> Suggests: m4, openssh-client, git
>
> Regards,
> Jan
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2014 15:29, Jan Groenewald <j...@aims.ac.za> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> On 20 April 2014 14:50, leif <not.rea...@online.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Jan Groenewald wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19 April 2014 17:15, leif <not.rea...@online.de
>>>> <mailto:not.rea...@online.de>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Depends: build-essential, gfortran [probably also m4]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are build-essential and m4 not only from-source build dependencies? I
>>>> would maybe move them to Suggests: Is there runtime functionality, a
>>>> function you would call in the notebook, that would need build-essential
>>>> and m4?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Most probably not m4 (it's only needed in Sage to [re]build MPIR/GMP
>>> IIRC), but any Cython code, e.g. also in a notebook cell, needs
>>> build-essentials.
>>>
>>>
>> OK, so Depends or Recommends: build-essentials, Suggests: m4
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note the PPA is not ideal for installing optional packages. The relevant
>>>> folders are owned by root, so the sage -i must be run as root, which is
>>>> bad practice.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So you'd have to sudo 'sage -b' as well?
>>
>>
>> Everything. That is of course not recommended.
>>
>> I would suggest the best way to save over downloading the source code
>> again, is to
>> cp -R /usr/lib/sagemath/ ~/
>> and then work further from there with alias mysage='~/sagemath/sage'
>>
>> But if you're developing, you may have enough bandwidth.
>>
>>
>>> (gfortran already depends on libgfortran3.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right, gfortran and (or only) libgfortran are runtime dependencies for
>>>> some functionality?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unless one wants to rebuild some packages using Fortran, I think
>>> libgfortran is sufficient, but there may be doctests trying to run the
>>> Fortran compiler, or scripts checking its presence, as well.
>>
>>
>> doctests only run when you're doing make test?
>> So perhaps Recommends: gfortran and Depends: libgfortran3
>> Recommends will be installed on almost all systems.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> It looks like it suggests on gfortran-multilib which depends on
>>> libgfortran-4.8-multilib,
>>>
>>
>> I don't think multilib stuff makes any sense (unless you e.g. ship the
>>> optional KaSH3 package, which contains an x86 pre-built binary, but that's
>>> statically linked).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there runtime functionalities, that is functions that will not work
>>>> if imagemagick and openssh-client is not installed?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure about the former, but presumably yes.
>>>
>>
>> Looks like at least animate() depends on imagemagick.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> OpenSSH client is for example needed to interact with Sage's git-trac.
>>
>>
>> I guess normal users might do that to file a bug... openssh-client is
>> already default on ubuntu-desktop though. So it does not really matter. It
>> could go in Suggests.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (Note that openssh-client already depends on OpenSSL. We could
>>>> still require it, but then I'd use libssl-dev.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think libssl1 should at least be Suggests and perhaps Recommends. The
>>>> PPA is really meant for a stanadalone laptop, not a server, but we teach
>>>> our students how to start a secure server when SSHing into a computer
>>>> lab desktop so they can connect from their laptop, which might become a
>>>> general use case for us, or for example, to connect from a tablet.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, for the PPA, you should IMHO build Sage's Python with libssl-dev
>>> present, then libssl will be a runtime dependency, since Sage doesn't ship
>>> it. Or copy Trusty's versions into $SAGE_LOCAL/lib... ;-)
>>> [Then including the optional PyOpenSSL into the build would also make
>>> sense.]
>>
>>
>> The PPA does not build anything. It copies the upstream binaries into
>> place.
>> However the Sage's Python is built in waterfall (the buildbot buildslave
>> system) that is how it will be.
>> I guess this could use further discussion. As far as I can tell the sage
>> binaries are built able to use the system-wide for notebook(secure=True) so
>> we should Depends or Recommends: openssl. I'm not familiar with the extra
>> use of pyopenssl you mention above, or why copying ssl into LOCAL/lib will
>> help any further functionality.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The PPA is not really meant for developers, but I guess that is fine. I
>>>> certainly run the PPA and a from source next to each other to compare
>>>> when there are bugs. I might be the only one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My impression is that at least /some/ Sage developers prefer to use the
>>> PPA (or pre-built binaries) on their netbooks or (low-end) notebooks. And
>>> on ARM machines ... X-)
>>
>>
>> I would still suggest cp -R /usr/lib/sagemath ~/ for any development,
>> leaving the PPA in /usr/lib untouched.
>>
>> I guess developers are more comfortable adding what they need
>> afterwards... but in general I might not mind Recommending rather than
>> Suggesting if most the community wants something.
>>
>> I run
>> 1) PPA
>> 2) binary from sagmath.org
>> 3) source compile
>>
>> next to each other... for comparison to see if the PPA is to blame for
>> something. I would not personally copy the PPA installation to compile from
>> source -- it will not isolate an error.
>>
>> But the ARM is a good use case.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the future, I'd also require libreadline-dev, but unfortunately
>>>> currently Sage doesn't even try to use a system-wide one (instead of
>>>> its meanwhile outdated version 6.2, asking for trouble at least on
>>>> other distros like Arch Linux and OpenSuSE).
>>>>
>>>> I feel like all of these should move to Recommends, so they get
>>>> installed by default through the apt-get and software centre, but a
>>>> sysadm could --without-recommends them if they want.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you should check (e.g. with ldd) what (system) libraries your
>>> binaries depend on; those of course should be in "Depends:".
>>>
>>
>>
>> I can add these. Many are standard ubuntu installs.
>>
>> 0 jan@osprey:/usr/lib/sagemath/local/bin$for i in `ldd * |egrep '
>> /lib|/usr/lib'|awk '{print $3}'|sort -u`; do dpkg -S $i; done|awk -F:
>> '{print $1}'|sort -u
>> libc6
>> libexpat1
>> libfontconfig1
>> libfreetype6
>> libgcc1
>> libgd2-xpm
>> libgmp10
>> libgmpxx4ldbl
>> libgsl0ldbl
>> libjpeg-turbo8
>> libmpfr4
>> libpng12-0
>> libppl13
>> libppl-c4
>> libpython2.7
>> libreadline6
>> libsqlite3-0
>> libssl1.0.0
>> libstdc++6
>> libtinfo5
>> libx11-6
>> libxau6
>> libxcb1
>> libxdmcp6
>> libxpm4
>> zlib1g
>> 0 jan@osprey:/usr/lib/sagemath/local/bin$
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> But I don't know whether or which Sage packages (such as readline) you
>>> replace by system ones.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note, the only Build-Depends for the PPA DEB package, is actually only
>>>> debhelper. It really just copies a compiled binary into place, as one
>>>> would wiht a binary pacakge. The PPA is a stopgap for a few years until
>>>> debianization is complete ;) It was way to hard to make a
>>>> sagemath-monolithic that actually builds all the components through a
>>>> debian rules file. And that is REALLY not the debian way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, but as mentioned, as soon as Cython is involved, "using" Sage needs
>>> build tools.
>>>
>>>
>>> -leif
>>>
>>> P.S.: Beat the Ubuntu guys for not releasing fixed versions of
>>> Ubuntu/Linaro GCC 4.6.3 for Precise. (They still ship the broken 1ubuntu5
>>> IIRC, although the fixes had been there two years ago.)
>>
>>
>> Precise or Trusty?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jan
>> --
>> .~.
>> /V\ Jan Groenewald
>> /( )\ www.aims.ac.za
>> ^^-^^
>>
>
>
>
> --
> .~.
> /V\ Jan Groenewald
> /( )\ www.aims.ac.za
> ^^-^^
>
--
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