To add on to what Viviane just said, the problem is also in using vocabulary and words such as "our side" (a constant in Nathann's prose) or """ I don't even know what I think anymore. With the turn that events take, I think I don't even need to think anymore. I think that I will think what you think I think, it is much easier for me. """ which is a very open minded attitude, followed by """ Yep. I also defended that "respecting other people's code" also meant "not adding method to the classes they use if the method is not useful for them". If it is only for internal stuff, a hidden (beginning with a '_' works for everybody...). But that was a long time ago and I gave up on #16403. """ (in https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-combinat-devel/QRUXmy6UZVo/ABg8CtDzQukJ) which looks rather closed minded (but I am not sure I fully understood).
Nathann, I understand you don't know now what you think and respect that. But did you _really_ use to think that the Graph class was yours, in the sense that you had veto rights on it? I am assuming that's the class you are referring to. Paul Paul-Olivier Dehaye SNF Assistant Professor of Mathematics University of Zurich skype: lokami_lokami (preferred) phone: +41 76 407 57 96 chat: pauloliv...@gmail.com twitter: podehaye freenode irc: pdehaye On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Viviane Pons <vivianep...@gmail.com>wrote: > I actually do think it would be a really good thing to have a statfinder > within sage, and somehow merge findstat code with sage code. It would > benefit both sage and findstat users. At the end, both FindStat and Sage > have the same aim: using computers to help us doing research. I understand > completely that it should have no impact on performance for other people > (but it is true for every code someone adds...) but I do not understand the > "it is useful only for FindStat users so it is not useful". Anyway, this > not going to happen in the near future, I mostly see this as long term > objective and it is only my opinion. > > The short term perspectives is for "us FindStat people" to build a > FindStat API that would allow query from external websites. It does not > seem that complicated, it's mostly a question of taking the time to do it. > Once we have that, we can start thinking of more integration, local > computation, etc. > > > 2014-05-29 22:35 GMT+02:00 John Cremona <john.crem...@gmail.com>: > >> On 29 May 2014 21:02, Nathann Cohen <nathann.co...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > BUT: this would result in code in Sage that is not useful purely >> >> > within Sage. And there are people, loud people, that say there should >> >> > not be such code in Sage. >> >> I do not know what is "code in Sage that is not useful purely within >> Sage". >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> I can hear your frustration ... In similar situations, it helped me to >> >> keep in mind that loud people are not always representative. Of course >> >> the difficulty is to fetch the opinion from the others. >> > >> > >> > Ahahahahahahah. Well, only including in Sage code that is useful to "a >> Sage >> > user" or "other developpers" does not seem that far-fetched. I still do >> not >> > see what the problem is with that. >> > >> > Err.... Well, assuming the obvious : that I am the "loud people" you >> > mention. >> > >> > Nathann >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "sage-devel" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "sage-devel" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-combinat-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-combinat-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-combinat-de...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-combinat-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.