On Friday, November 28, 2014 11:04:08 PM UTC+1, vdelecroix wrote: > > Hi, > > 2014-11-28 15:48 UTC−06:00, maldun <dom...@gmx.net <javascript:>>: > > Hi all! > > > > I quite watched this discussion for this so called code of conduct. > There > > are a lot of > > opponents of this idea and I wonder why. > > Please tell me who? As far as I read, nobody proposed to have nothing. > We are just discussing what. You are welcome to participate but not to > negate the work in progress. > > Erm, even the Wiki states as alternative 'nothing'? So at least one would have that in mind. But thats not precisely what I meant. To be more specific: 'A lot of proponents of the code which was initially stated.'
> > So far as I understand, this code/guidline/whatever does not serve as a > > law, or is written in stone, > > nor does it say: "If you don't behave as stated in the code, you will be > > teared feathered and be banned forever!" > > That is precisely the issue: its aim is not explicit and it is written as > a law. > > I may be wrong, but doesn't a (social) law or rule need some sort of consequence (penalty etc.) and someone who executes it to actually be a law? In the current state it's simply a statement. > > I don't think it's that big deal, it's like hanging up some nice slogans > on > > your wall like 'Be nice to others.' > > This might not reflect the sentiment of the community. And not > everybody have to like "nice slogans". > > Define sentiment of the community? The sentiment of the a) whole community, b) the majority or c) some particular members whcih can be considered as the leaders. If you consider a) as your definition then, like in every big community, the chances are near zero that this ever will happen. If you consider b) a vote was already made, and I suppose you exclude c) as an option. I personally think that it is more important to not contradict the sentiment of the community, but thats just my opinion. > > And I really like such codes because it states that the community wants > > that it's members are nice to each others. > > Now, you consider that it is not only a slogan ;-) My main concern > with your sentence is that you make a distinction between "the > community" and "the members". What is this difference? > > Vincent > I just wanted to say that it appears to me, that communities who remember their members from time to time to be nice to each other tend to actually do this. But yes this is simply a personal experience, and has no deeper foundation. If you want to nitpick: It's like the difference between a set and its elements. And since members are individuals, and actually humans, they can be nice to each other. A community is not a human being, but a set of members who work on/with some software/whatever. Maybe my comments seem a little bit sarcastic, but I personally think the emotions concerning this matter are quite high, on something which does not really seem to have such a deep impact on the project. Maybe I am wrong, but from my experience this will lead to the following: A lot of time and energy is wasted on something not that big, although maybe bigger problems would need more attention and finally come to - a solution everyone is equally unhappy or - It will be discussed forever till everyone is tired, and in the end nothing happens. Sorry for being so sarcastic but I have quite some experience on such matters (and it always happens just read newspapers ...). Also I'm currently reading some books about innovations and novelities and it is quite shocking how precisely the theory apply in this current situation ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
