Le samedi 03 décembre 2016 à 10:07 +0100, Jeroen Demeyer a écrit : > On 2016-12-02 12:50, Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > > Le jeudi 1 décembre 2016 23:47:40 UTC+1, Volker Braun a écrit : > > > > On Linux, you can build Sage with and without openssl. If you > > ever > > hit the network > > > > > > Who doesn't ? > > The 95% of Sage users who just uses Sage for computations and > doesn't > want to install any packages.
Hmmm... Where do you pull your "95%" figure from ? > That's why I'm against depending on system OpenSSL: you are adding > an > extra hurdle for everybody It's, at worst, an extra dependency. Of which we already have some lot (see README.md...). > for the benefit of a minority of users. Again : why "minority" ? And why do you postulate that Sage and its components have a vocation to stay self-enclosed and forever stable ? The activity of the sage- devel list shows that the ability to update, upgrade and extend Sage is important. That is true, with severe aggravation, for R : while essential, the "core" functionality of R is small (if not tiny) when compared to the 9000+ packages available. an unextensible R would be as useful as a teaspoon to empty the Mediterranean... On the top of that, Sage itself uses the net extensively. It uses tens of Python packages, which need maintainance and possibly extension. I'm afraid that your "average user" who "just uses Sage for computations and doesn't want to install any packages" is about as mythical as Ronald Reagan's "welfare queen" : a nice strawman useful to hide a serious problem. (In fact, two serious problems : Volker's explanation of Apple's root certs problem makes me think that this is, for Mac users, even more serious : they are chained to "the Apple" store" for the life of their Macs. More of this as an answer to Volker's post). It remains to be seen if our "openssl" package allows a Sage system, initially compiled with, say, GnuTLS, to use, say PIP. That could be an hypocritical but efficient workaround. HTH, -- Emmanuel Charpentier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
