On Nov 25, 12:28 pm, Pierre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
> I agree that it would be great to have SAGE as the official math
> software in france. I am a maitre de conferences in france and i would
> also like SAGE to get into our universities, not just the CPGE.
>
> Just a couple of comments though:
>
> ** is Maple in french now, with french names for the functions ??
> wouldn't it be good for the students to learn a bit of english while
> learning SAGE ? of course the manuals ought to be translated.
We did discuss something similar in IRC earlier today, but the
statements below are my personal opinion.
I would have to agree on the above: Microsoft's Excel at least used to
translate the macros they used into German, so that a German
spreadsheet wouldn't even run under an American version of Excel. So I
think that translating function names is a pretty bad idea. One could
construct some aliases and import them at runtime, something similar
has been discussed on sage-devel before for Matlab compatibility.
The translation of the documentation should be done, it might even be
a good idea to get some input on the tutorials and manuals because its
structure could certainly be improved.
> ** SAGE doesn't compile easily on WIndows at all. So the students who
> are now cracking maple on their windows machines would have to install
> linux and sage -- not all of them will find this an improvement at
> first. Mind you, it might be a good way to promote linux !
>
Pushing open source in general is certainly something most if not all
Sage developers can identify with.
The usual solution for Sage on Windows is currently the VMWare image.
In a school setting it is possible to use one system to run the VMWare
image as a server for a whole classroom of clients that use the
notebook. The free vmware player is sufficient to run Sage, so no
software needs to be bought if one were to deploy Sage.
A native Windows post is highly desirable, but it is something non-
trivial to accomplish. The Cygwin port never proved to work 100% and
is unlikely to ever fully work due to bugs in Cygwin. I am certain
that I can get it to 99.9% again, but that isn't the direction we want
to go in. So far nobody has been willing to finance a windows port,
but there were plenty of discussion at Sage Days 6 in Bristol how we
can at least start the journey to a native working port on Windows.
All Sage needs is hopefully a group of developers who want Sage on
Windows to happen badly enough that they just bite the bullet and do
it. Nobody has taken action so far and my time will be spend mostly on
the 64 bit OSX and 32/64 bit Solaris port. Since I was the last guy
trying to keep the Cygwin port alive back in the 2.5.x time frame I
can tell you that it isn't a very pleasurable job to do, but I would
certainly be willing to do my share on that port. I consider it
essential for Sage to succeed beyond the Linux & MacOSX crowd on one
hand and the technically capable Windows use crowd.
> good luck!
> pierre
>
> On Nov 24, 11:32 pm, "David Joyner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Cheers,
Michael
> > Thank you for your email!
>
> > I think this is a great idea.
> > Things like the "tutorial" or "constructions/cookbook" (or a suitable subset
> > of them) might need to be translated into French as well. They are
> > open source as well of course, so help yourself. Also, feel free to ask
> > for help if you need any from the email lists
> > athttp://www.sagemath.org/lists.html
>
> > I'm cross-posting to sage-forum since there may be people there
> > interested in your project not on sage-devel.
>
> > - David Joyner
>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> > On Nov 24, 2007 5:20 PM, Philippe Saadé <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Dear SAGE developers,
>
> > > i hope i am not bothering you to much with my mail. I am a math
> > > teacher in "Classe Préparatoire" in Lyon (France) so my students are
> > > school graduates and they prepare contests to enter famous "Grandes
> > > Écoles" (Engineers schools).
>
> > > The french educational administration has decided, many years ago, to
> > > promote the usage of computers for scientific purposes. They then have
> > > chosen two software : Maple and Matlab.
>
> > > I have the project to propose to "those who decide" to replace Maple
> > > (and maybe Matlab too) by Python based software. Of course, SAGE comes
> > > first in my mind.
>
> > > I know it is not a simple task because most teachers are now used to
> > > Maple and the new GUI of Maple is more intuitive. But it's not open
> > > source and it costs a lot... (so students download cracked versions)
>
> > > If i want to have a chance to convince these leaders, i must be able
> > > to prove that within a one year project, it is possible to adapt SAGE
> > > interface (mostly propose a french environment, and maybe french names
> > > to procedures and parameters) and provide a library of sample code
> > > (to prove that it fit the needs of math course in "Classes
> > > Préparatoire" and ease the adoption of SAGE by other teachers...)
>
> > > To achieve such a goal, i would work with a freelance consultant based
> > > in Lyon. Any code produced to adapt SAGE would be GPL licenced and
> > > fully open-source, without any delay in publication.
>
> > > I would like to have your opinion about that project and any advice or
> > > warning...
>
> > > I apologize for my poor English and for a rather cumbersome
> > > presentation. I hope to read from you soon.
>
> > > Best regards,
> > > Philippe Saadé
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