On 8 November 2013 16:11, Georgi Guninski <gunin...@guninski.com> wrote:
> I am not an expert, but is it normal to get negative canonical
> height of a point on elliptic curve over number field?

No, this is certainly an error.  There is at least one outstanding
patch relating to heights over number fields (#13951) but also there
was a numerical instability problem fixed at #12509 which was not done
perfectly (I know, I did it) and that might be the issue here too.

Heights are supposed to be independent of the base field.  Your curve
and point are defined over Q where the height is computed as
0.0324132522964454 -- this uses a completely different implementation
(in the pari library) which is more reliable, unfortunately.

John Cremona

>
> sage: Z1.<Z>=ZZ[];Nf.<v>=NumberField(Z**16-2);E=EllipticCurve(Nf,[-87, 504, 
> -40320, 0, 0]);P=E(0,0)
> sage: P.height() #not very fast
> -0.150688795814905
> sage: P.height(precision=2000)
> -0.15068879581490624...<snip>
>
> Works on cloud.sagemath too.
>
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