The problem is indeed fixed by applying #13951 (which still needs 
reviewing).

Peter

Op vrijdag 8 november 2013 17:35:01 UTC schreef John Cremona:
>
> On 8 November 2013 16:11, Georgi Guninski <guni...@guninski.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > I am not an expert, but is it normal to get negative canonical 
> > height of a point on elliptic curve over number field? 
>
> No, this is certainly an error.  There is at least one outstanding 
> patch relating to heights over number fields (#13951) but also there 
> was a numerical instability problem fixed at #12509 which was not done 
> perfectly (I know, I did it) and that might be the issue here too. 
>
> Heights are supposed to be independent of the base field.  Your curve 
> and point are defined over Q where the height is computed as 
> 0.0324132522964454 -- this uses a completely different implementation 
> (in the pari library) which is more reliable, unfortunately. 
>
> John Cremona 
>
> > 
> > sage: Z1.<Z>=ZZ[];Nf.<v>=NumberField(Z**16-2);E=EllipticCurve(Nf,[-87, 
> 504, -40320, 0, 0]);P=E(0,0) 
> > sage: P.height() #not very fast 
> > -0.150688795814905 
> > sage: P.height(precision=2000) 
> > -0.15068879581490624...<snip> 
> > 
> > Works on cloud.sagemath too. 
> > 
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